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Re: CS 6/1 repair?
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2006, 05:25:18 PM »
Guy,

I understand where you are coming from wanting to keep the block looking original. 

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That is different than keeping it operational in a field situation.

Says who, mine looks original and is 100% as operational as original, plus, in a field situation my repair was done on-site without the need to disassemble anything.


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How about cutting a patch from the bottom of a flat bottom cast iron frying pan and using electric cast iron welding rod to install that?

What is this? Comedy central?


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That cast welding rod is really pricey as is electricity now and time moreso.

Cast rods cost about the same individually as cigarettes, electricity to do the job less than one cigarette, and if time is money I should be quids in seeing as I didn't spend any time or money stripping, rebuilding, transporting or sourcing consumables and spares such as gaskets etc.
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Re: CS 6/1 repair?
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2006, 06:51:17 PM »
I suggest that anyone who wants to see the true nature of this Guy Fawkes/John Bunt
character have a quick Google.Especialy look at newsgroup uk.local.southwest

Bunt openly boasts of class A drug dealing along with downloading of kiddie porn and
even claims to get erections by looking at children.

Bunt often attacks women with sexual comments, one of his victims was 80+ years of age.
Several of his victims have been disabled including one who was a child in a wheelchair.
The childs mother had simply asked for Bunts help with a laptop problem.

Bunt has recently had a string of fraudulently brought libel actions slung out at the
High Court when he attempted to defraud ISP's out of £100,000.

Bunt has threatened to build fertliser bombs to use against the police. Exeter police
have described Bunt as "Barking Mad"!

Although pushing 50 his "girlfriend" is a teenager. Bunt likes to play a little game of
"smackybums" and was admonished by Social Services for "inappropriate sexual behaviour
with a child".

Then again there was the time that Bunt was standing in the street waving a hammer at the
neighbours because he said one of them had parked too near his car!

I'd be VERY careful if anyone is thinking of doing any business at all with this pervert.
"Barking mad" is very much an understatement.

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Re: CS 6/1 repair?
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2006, 07:17:58 PM »
Andy, if you could PM me with the poster's IP address I'll add it to the pile of documents for the case.

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Re: CS 6/1 repair?
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2006, 07:22:08 PM »
Is this the same Guy Fawkes
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Re: CS 6/1 repair?
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2006, 07:41:37 PM »
So, Steamboatwully,
Considering that your post is the first you have made to this forum, don't you think it is a bit inflammatory to make all these accusations about someone who has been posting here for many months?  As you may have noticed, this forum is about Lister engines and their copies - do you have relevant questions or comments?  If not, perhaps you would be advised to crawl back into the hole you came from.
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Re: CS 6/1 repair?
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2006, 08:08:17 PM »
rpg52
check out google theres 1280 pages on it . hey i fell for it had to look.

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Re: CS 6/1 repair?
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2006, 08:13:15 PM »
Isn't interseting what people will say on the 'net when if they were face to face they wouldn't have the balls ;D
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Re: CS 6/1 repair?
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2006, 08:26:03 PM »
Dennis
Looks like another utterpower thread to me. don't even want to go there .
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Re: CS 6/1 repair?
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2006, 09:34:32 PM »
Why not just buy a replacement part as you are in England?  Lots of old engines there looking for a new lease on life, why risk a weld??  Does not make a lot of sense to me
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Re: CS 6/1 repair?
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2006, 10:34:44 PM »
Guy,

I understand where you are coming from wanting to keep the block looking original. 

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That is different than keeping it operational in a field situation.

Says who,

Well apparently ME.

 mine looks original and is 100% as operational as original, plus, in a field situation my repair was done on-site without the need to disassemble anything.

Likewise my patch idea would also not require the disassembly of anything/


 How about cutting a patch from the bottom of a flat bottom cast iron frying pan and using electric cast iron welding rod to install that?


What is this? Comedy central?

Not at all.  I was deadly serious and I resent your tone.  If I want a sheet of steel I don't make one by laying beads of welding rod next to each other.  If I needed some sheet cast iron I wouldn't make it myself by laying down rows of far more expensive ni-rod.


 That cast welding rod is really pricey as is electricity now and time moreso.


Cast rods cost about the same individually as cigarettes,

I think my cost is much more, and cigarettes aren't cheap BTW.  Fortunately I dont need them.

 electricity to do the job less than one cigarette,

electricity to weld with costs me about $10.00 CDN per hour with a gasoline powered welder.  That adds up to expensive really fast.

and if time is money I should be quids in seeing as I didn't spend any time or money stripping, rebuilding, transporting or sourcing consumables and spares such as gaskets etc.


Im glad your method works so well for you, but at the same time I also question as T19 has, with your location where original Listers are plentiful compared to anywhere else in the world, why bother welding cast iron when undamaged parts can be had?
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Re: CS 6/1 repair?
« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2006, 12:43:40 AM »
Guy,

I understand where you are coming from wanting to keep the block looking original. 

Good



That is different than keeping it operational in a field situation.

Says who,

Well apparently ME.


well you're wrong, it is operational, and it didn't require stripping or moving.



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mine looks original and is 100% as operational as original, plus, in a field situation my repair was done on-site without the need to disassemble anything.

Likewise my patch idea would also not require the disassembly of anything/

just a lot of extra work cutting up an iron pan, which btw will be a different grade of cast iron anyway, and it will look like shit, eg obviously patched.


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How about cutting a patch from the bottom of a flat bottom cast iron frying pan and using electric cast iron welding rod to install that?


What is this? Comedy central?

Not at all.  I was deadly serious and I resent your tone.  If I want a sheet of steel I don't make one by laying beads of welding rod next to each other.  If I needed some sheet cast iron I wouldn't make it myself by laying down rows of far more expensive ni-rod.

did I build up a repair from deposited electrode?

no

is this straw man argument all you have?

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That cast welding rod is really pricey as is electricity now and time moreso.


Cast rods cost about the same individually as cigarettes,

I think my cost is much more, and cigarettes aren't cheap BTW.  Fortunately I dont need them.

 electricity to do the job less than one cigarette,

electricity to weld with costs me about $10.00 CDN per hour with a gasoline powered welder.  That adds up to expensive really fast.

I've got a major distro about 3 miles down the road, Stubs rods are 3 for a quid.

Electricity is a few pence per KWH

any way you slice it that's so cheap it isn't even worth calculating for a small welding job

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and if time is money I should be quids in seeing as I didn't spend any time or money stripping, rebuilding, transporting or sourcing consumables and spares such as gaskets etc.


Im glad your method works so well for you, but at the same time I also question as T19 has, with your location where original Listers are plentiful compared to anywhere else in the world, why bother welding cast iron when undamaged parts can be had?

why bother repairing it at all, why not just scrap the whole engine and buy another one for 300 quid, why not, we live in a throwaway society.

the other extreme is why repair something properly, why not totally fuck it up by welding skillet iron, a completely different compound, in an ungly botched patch over the whole thing.

if the job is worth doing at all it is worth doing properly, I have the skills, experience and knowledge, and I have some modicum of pride in my work and duty owed to those who gave of their time to train me, to do the fucking job properly.

The repair I did has been looked at by two different coded welders, one of whom does the pipework at the nearby nuke facility "thought you said you couldn't weld" was his comment, high praise indeed from a taciturn bastard (hi tommy, if you're reading this)

Under a coat of primer you literally can't tell it ain't exactly the way it came out of dursley foundry, and seeing as I used the original pieces that broke away barring a minimal amount of deposited electrode it is original.

Yeah, I could probably find an undamaged original barrel, that would still mean strip and rebuild and new gaskets, it would also mean there is one less barrel in the world, and my engine would no longer be as original as it was, oops, there goes that run in piston and rings.

I take a pride in my work.
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Re: CS 6/1 repair?
« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2006, 01:41:15 AM »
Guy,

I never tried to imply that you did not take pride in your work.  If you saw my work you would see that I am a perfectionist and also take great pride in my own work.  I`ve never had the blessing of a Lister, broken or otherwise to repair but I`m doing my damned best with an original Petter that was found after years of searching locally for a Lister.

I`ll leave you to appreciate that while you are priviledged to live in the country of origin of Listers that even though complete engines are available to you for cheap, your electricity and specialized welding supplies are reportedly (by you) even so much cheaper that you choose to rebuild badly damaged Lister parts yourself while many of us elsewhere in the world even in DIY mode will often be forced to pay as much as you can get a complete engine for just to do a minor repair.  In Canada the Lister/Petter factory recognized dealer wants as much as you can purchase a complete engine for, for two sets of rings, or two fuel injectors.

Beat your chest if you must but don`t belittle the fate of the less geographically fortunate when it comes to this particular issue.
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Re: CS 6/1 repair?
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2006, 02:03:13 AM »
Apparently the "repair" carried out by Guy Fawkes, may well have been 100% sucessful if it had been in a low stress situation, ideally under compression loading. However the fact that its not, and bearing in mind the area of welded material between the cast iron and mild steel MIG weld is going to be glass hard Martensite, then its almost certain that the repair is going to fail pretty quickly.

The proper way to effect a repair such as this would be with braze, or ideally powder welding. A friend of mine who is now an engineer in the UK nuclear industry, has provided me with this information, and to tell you the truth after having a quick read through some of the stuff on Guy Fawkes web site, it seems to me he doesnt really know what he is talking about.

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Re: CS 6/1 repair?
« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2006, 06:03:14 AM »
Shame you seem to have me confused with someone else

That is a lie.  Even if you are not in fact Chris Stevens, you must be aware that your email address is inextricably linked to the name:

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&q=autosuggestion54%40yahoo.co.uk+chris&qt_s=Search

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Re: CS 6/1 repair?
« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2006, 06:48:08 AM »
That email address is linked to a business, and is commonly used by any of the 4 people connected to the business in regard to posting on the net, membership of various forums etc.

FYI "Guy Fawkes" or John Bunt I am told is a workshy single man from Exeter in the UK, who last year alleged that being trolled on an obscure Usenet forum, had resulted in his becoming impotent;  in response to which he took legal action against 3 ISP's and 3 individuals, which  as you can probably guess from the content of his posts on here ended in abject failure, and unpaid legal bills of $71,617!

Personally though I have little interest in ridiculous idiots like Mr Bunt, but had posted here solely looking for help with my engine, which as soon as I have repaired the cylinder and got it looking good, is something I want to take around UK shows and rallies along with my small collection of classic motorcycles.

Bill