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tboehm

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what is the differences?
« on: October 22, 2020, 04:34:00 PM »
Have a neighbor that has about talked me into old school lister and done some looking  Im looking to have about a 10kw gen added to it and looking to keep it an air cooled.  I can find anything that really explains all of different models and pros and cons of what I should get.  I can see a HA, HR, LT, SR, ST, and finally TS.  I think that if get the point that following the letters you get a #1,2,3 meaning the number of cylinders.  But I need help in understanding what is what.  Need recommendations for a bomb proof best reliable for remote alaska what would be the most fuel efficient that I can do electric and hand crank start.  Please help a new guy.

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Tom

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Re: what is the differences?
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2020, 09:27:38 PM »
Hi Tom. You have said air-cooled; and I guess maybe thatís because of the cold up there?  Just a comment that the air-cooled units are inherently noisy (big fins to transfer heat to air, and they resonate) so your location/layout may need to allow for distance or a soundproof shed

The really old CS water-cooled diesels - and their new, Indian-sourced clones/copies (a bit like the way the Chinese copy Honda engines) are very quiet & relaxed - there are a couple of guys on here who specialise in them - but the liquid-cooling may be a deal-breaker for you?

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Re: what is the differences?
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2020, 09:06:59 PM »
Tom, they are all good (HA, HR, LT, SR, ST) mostly just different vintages.
I doubt that you have a lot of selection to choose from, so just take what you can get provided it is in good condition.
One problem you may have up in Alasksa is getting spare parts for genuine Lister Engines.

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- JiangDong R165 Air cooled - 2 kw

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Re: what is the differences?
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2020, 12:40:26 AM »
I'd contact Gary at Diesel Electric Services (DES).  His company does service in Alaska and so he could perhaps supply a suitable genset that he supports with parts.  Ultra experienced and a stand up guy.

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Re: what is the differences?
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2020, 03:05:19 PM »

I believe Gary at DES has closed down his business and sold off the inventory.
He was advertising it here many months back.
- 6/1 GM90 Listeroid - Delco 33si Alternator
- Changfa R175 - Lease/Neville Alternator
- JiangDong R165 Air cooled - 2 kw

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Re: what is the differences?
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2020, 06:54:20 PM »
I am sending a little tidbit of info I got somewhere, could be copied from a post here.

I have a ST2 air cooled with a 6.5 gen belted to it. I run the engine at 1500 RPM. The biggest verified load I have put to it was 4000 watts. Didnít seem to even notice, very good at maintaining correct voltage. Quite good on fuel.
The manual has this to say about it.
Brake HP/KW  RPM
21 /15.7 at 3000 RPM, 20/14.9 at 2600, 16.2/12.1 at 2000, 14.6/10.9 at 1800,12/8.9 at1500,9.4/7.0 at 1200.

Well, I see I could be running it at 1200 RPM but I have a long time Lister Bud that feels Lister was a bit generous when stating doable KW/HP.

Generally speaking each RPM requires specific governor weights but I lucked out with the ST in that it was being used in a boat or some arrangement requiring variable speed but it still does quite well on the generator.

I have a HR2, these are heavy weight engines.  The 2 puts out 29.5 HP at 2200 , 25 at 1800. 17 at 1200. The HR3 will go 44.25 HP at 2200, 37.5 at 1800,25 at 1200. The HR 4 will do about 30 HP at 1200.

Green mountain generators on the internet gives has a comprehensive list of Lister engines they probably copied from realdiesel.co.uk. So does stationery engine parts, same list.

I have purchased parts from realdiesel.