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« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2020, 12:28:33 AM »
I like this

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« Reply #31 on: April 01, 2020, 12:50:10 AM »
Glort why not settle a few scores today or better still bury the hatchet. Takes balls to do both.....

You aren't aware of the Magnitude of the scores I am talking about to settle. I'm not talking petty things here or anything I could ever just forgive and forget. The balls I have had to find and the things I have had to do to still be here are already well beyond what I ever imagined I was capable of. On one hand it has completely broken me, on the other there is nothing I can't do, particularly on the evil side.

While I am able to be here to look after my wife and daughter, I will continue to do so. When that no longer becomes a possibility, then I will indulge myself in some final satisfaction and finish my time knowing I did have the balls to right some wrongs done against us.

I fully agree with your assessment of the impact on poor countries.  Once this gets into places like India with their vast slum areas, the spread will be like wild fire and there will be no treatment available at all to those that catch it.  I don't know if it can be spread by contamination but Imagine if this gets in the Ganges river. Population numbers will take a hit.
Other parts of asia will also suffer as will the places you point out.

 Many people seem to think this is a month or 2 thing. My thoughts are it's 6 Months +.

Ireland is in lock down by another name only allowed to go to the shop, pharmacy or for fuel. Try doing that in Mumbai! I agree with you Glort that many parts of the world could quickly be depopulated. There are many pointy headed blokes working on a vaccine it really has to be found soon it has to be effective and it has to be free. My hope is they can do it before it's too late, it's not a money issue it's a time issue.
I can imagine you Glort in your shorts and sandals body temperature at 40c and outside it's 45c. Your aching and your sight is blurred and you're staggering down a deserted road, driven by rage, with a shotgun, gnashing your teeth half blinded with sweat to extract revenge!
Back to the Chinese again and a proverb. "Water does not stick to the mountain, and vengeance does not stick to a big heart."
Poet, Robert Service "the thought came back of an ancient wrong and it stung like a frozen lash"



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« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2020, 06:33:43 AM »
I'm pretty sure I like the poem more.  ::)

I know I read all of it. 

Thank you glort for putting the star things on the paragraph topic sentence.  They pulled me into two more of the paragraphs.  Pretty dark, brother.

The City of Miami is spending $400 million on raising roads and installing pumps.  Reminds me of the stories about the building of Holland.  Miami has a population of 463+ thousand divided into $400,000,000 = $863 apiece.  If it works then they'll spend some real money.

We're up to 18 verified C-19 people with 11 of them being clean for 14 days.  The other 7 are in home quarantine.  No hospitalizations as of yet.  This is out of a population of 186+ thousand.  A young fellow wanted to return from New Jersey to help with the farm and I had to say no.


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« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2020, 08:26:16 AM »
The WHO says the mortality rate of C19 is 3.4%. Assuming the worlds population is 7.5 billion then the deaths worldwide would be 255,000,000 that's America and the UK totally depopulated. Of course most people catching the virus will recover, I don't think I would survive it due to age and multiple health issues.
It appears that people aren't keeping their distance or socially isolating and there's a new form of assault, people spitting on cops and emergency service workers, WTF is wrong with people? That takes a doctor, nurse, firefighter of cop off the scene for 14 days as they must self isolate. This will pass if people take simple steps like avoiding people. Give the doctors time to develop a vaccine or other treatments. In Ireland drink stores are open (essential stores only are supposed to be open) some people are buying booze and having big house parties. Most people aren't that selfish

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« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2020, 08:38:02 AM »
IMHO there's an interesting thread running through this commentary which is sort of asking . . .

"After this is over, will we go back to the same old shit?  Or will it be a wake-up call that will encourage us to do things that are good for everyone, not just a privileged few and - gasp - maybe better for the planet?"

Bets, anyone?

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« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2020, 09:23:00 AM »
IMHO there's an interesting thread running through this commentary which is sort of asking . . .

"After this is over, will we go back to the same old shit?  Or will it be a wake-up call that will encourage us to do things that are good for everyone, not just a privileged few and - gasp - maybe better for the planet?"

Bets, anyone?

I think there might be some changes. People can't have failed to notice that the casino in Wall street isn't paying like it was. Of course it's all smoke and mirrors anyway derivatives, futures, short trading etc are only a way for a few rich people to get extremely rich. Rich people like the Saudis who have decided to hit Russia where it hurts, in their pockets. Oil is at a 20 year low because they can, pretty much.
On the other hand doctors and nurses from many countries are trying hard to get home to their home countries to treat people and help their local health authority. This is potentially dangerous and there's no money in it. Why? Because most people are intrinsically good I believe. Most politicians, here at any rate, are working together for the good of the country. That's unusual!

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« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2020, 02:13:27 PM »
Just 3 points Glort, Irish cops are armed if you could call it armed with a truncheon that's all. I have partied a good bit in my time but this isn't the time. These young people are mixing, getting off their face then going home unaware if they have the virus and possibly passing it on to older people. Many young people have no or near to no symptoms when they have the virus, no booze no parties is logical, we only have a small police force, parties are hard to police grog shops much easier.. Buses here are separating passengers not hard when most people are prevented from working and the bus service was a joke anyway.

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« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2020, 02:18:04 PM »
A lethal pandemic in the 3rd world? That's a racists wet dream

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« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2020, 06:22:24 PM »
Where are people spitting on others?

I'm concerned that the cleaver wealthy and their adversaries are going to rob the treasure chests that are being opened by our governments.  It smells like corporations are getting two dollars for ever single dollar that goes to the people directly here in the states.  The hypocrisy of the conservative arena is simply amazing.  Socialistic actions are devastating unless it's going into their pockets.

As for the numbers.  The death numbers are for people that actually show significant symptoms not the entire population.  This is why we lose well below 1% of the population to the annual flu.  3 million would be 1% of the population in the states while we lose <40,000.  A crazy number that still has me falling backwards.

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« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2020, 06:51:46 PM »
As*holes in Ireland are spitting on emergency services and cops. Stoned and drunk not that thats any excuse I have often been both

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« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2020, 04:14:00 PM »
Sorry for the very late reply to to a comment made earlier in the thread,

mikenash stated:
Read my lips:  The fucking water is rising.  It's easy to measure.  Average annual rise last century was 1.4mm.

It's very easy to add cuss words and emotion to a statement in order to make it seem true and real.
The data that I have studied suggests otherwise.

Tide gauges all over the world are giving opposing trends. Florida shows some rising. Alaska shows the ocean level is falling.
Continental plates are moving all the time.
70% of the coastal major historical sites which once dotted the shorelines 3000 years ago are now under 70 ft (or more) of water due to natural rising levels resulting from glacier melt and tactonic plate movement.
We modern people think that we are somehow special compared to the hundreds of cities that have already been engulfed by natural sea rise in the past.
If man is dumb enough to build a city 4 ft. above sea level (most built in the 1600's or earlier before natural ocean rise was known) then they will succumb to the same fate as previous cities until the next ice age moves in and starts the cyclical drop in ocean levels.

Fort Denison in the Sydney harbor has one of the longest running tide gauge datasets in the world.
No remarkable sea rise is being recorded there.



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« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2020, 05:57:54 PM »
I'm kinda of with glort on this sea lever rise.  While there is little doubt in my mind that the water is rising I know nothing I saw, write or substantial information I provide some folks just ain't gonna buy it.  So why bother.

Some of us like street language.  I don't know why but I'm sure it's some sort of mality in our moral composition.  No Shoe Polish!

The Big Island of Hawaii has a few more verified cases but no one has gone to the hospital as of yet diagnosed with C-19.  T. Gabbard is working hard to keep us informed and tests are still very rationed.  New, faster, more reliable tests are on the way.   

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« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2020, 10:25:55 PM »

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« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2020, 07:21:47 AM »
Re sea-level rise . . .

FWIW I don't think there's any real doubt that the water is rising (after all, there's less ice - where the hell else is it gonna go).  Where I grew up as s kid in the almost-coastal town of Hastings there were several beach-front settlements and all have retreated now as the water has risen over 50 years . . .

BUT as for whether the change in our climate is entirely natural, or completely man-made, or a combination of the two - I'm not sure we have been measuring it long enough to be as definitive as we think we are about that.  Sure we are putting greenhouse gases into the air and that's dumb - maybe they're responsible for 90% of the changes?  Maybe they're responsible for 10% of the change.  i suspect we're a bit too close to the events to know

There's a famous strategist and Vietnamese General Nguyen Ngoc Loan (possibly miss-spelt) and he is the man who said - of the vietnam war "Tens of thousands of men are going to die.  What of it?  Men die every day.  If you don't have the stomach for that - you shouldn't be leading men"

Anyway he was something of a philosopher & student of history and, culturally, French, and was once asked.  "What affect do you think the French Revolution has had on French Culture?"

He thought for some time and eventually responded with "Too soon to say"

That's how I feel about the climate debate

Also - on the original subject from which I have digressed again - COVID19.  Our small country has done something interesting - although possibly financially fatal - in introducing four weeks of a very strict lock-down very early in the pandemic.

Our government took the attitude (unlike Uncle Nguyen) that killing some tens of thousands of our people was Just Not On and that if the economy takes a hit to save a big number of lives - so be it

I will watch with interest to see how our experience compares with those of other countries (Hawaii might be comparable, as an island, maybe?)

Good luck to one and all as the virus runs its course

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« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2020, 11:42:46 AM »
I've only heard one sensible statement concerning mankind's reaction to climate change.........

A, If it's happening and mankind has nothing to do with it then anything we can do is pointless

B, If it's happening and we are the cause then we'd better get cracking and do what we can - pronto.

C, It's not happening.

In any case, doing whatever we can, will, in the worst case, have no effect.

Doing bugger all may very well drop us right in it.


From a personal view point I don't really care, I'm 65 and live at 935m (3000 feet) above sea level in a valley with enough sheep, cows, deer, boar, fish and vegetable plots to support the population much as it did for hundreds of years up, to and beyond, WWI. There's plenty of scope for hydro electric power too.

I'll probably be dead before we hit the Mad Max scenario, if not, the CS and all that veg oil in the shed will come in handy!

Why everybody who is raising a young family is not doing everything they can (be it necessary or not) to counter 'climate change' I fail to understand, completely. The problem, should it occur, will fall on their kids.

Meanwhile I'll keep on carrying on......

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