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Re: C-19
« Reply #45 on: April 01, 2020, 06:14:34 AM »

There are many pointy headed blokes working on a vaccine it really has to be found soon it has to be effective and it has to be free. My hope is they can do it before it's too late, it's not a money issue it's a time issue. 

Something I saw a while back and has been corroborated with things I have seen more recently, is that most vaccines and medicines take 10 years  to  develop.  I saw an interview with a doctor the other day where the interviewer asked about a vaccine in 3 months and the Dr said it would be a miracle to get one in 18 Months. They have already discovered different strains of this Virus and the Dr thought it would likley mutate further as it goes into different areas and adapts to it's surrounds.

 I think we can all see the damage will be well and truly done in even a years time. 

That's what makes this so scary.  No way in the first world we are going to be able to hole people up for that long. In the 3rd world.... Well lets just say the few that are left aren't going to have near the problems they had before with food, shelter and population.

We don't know how this is affecting people in China. The gubbermint has proven what vile , evil lying murderers they are so there could be a million dead there already and the rest of the world wouldn't have a clue. Even if western world Gubbermints did, the last thing they are going to do is let  the sheeple know and cause more panic.


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I can imagine you Glort in your shorts and sandals body temperature at 40c and outside it's 45c. Your aching and your sight is blurred and you're staggering down a deserted road, driven by rage, with a shotgun, gnashing your teeth half blinded with sweat to extract revenge!

Not the way I see it.  I think I might have a peace and satisfaction I haven't had in some time and will never have as long as I do survive.


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"Water does not stick to the mountain, and vengeance does not stick to a big heart."

Big heart? Me?? Mine was shattered and what is left is cold as steel trust me.  So often I hear and see things that others are mortified by and my only concern is because I don't feel anything at all when I know I should.  :embarassed:

I'm not sure the world will ever be the same again and in so many instances, I'm far from convinced that will be a bad thing.
The environmentally concerned may well see their goals and aspirations realised just through the sheer reduction in population this may bring.

We are definitely  living (so far) through a period future generations will read about in history books that's for sure.

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Re: C-19
« Reply #46 on: April 01, 2020, 06:33:43 AM »
I'm pretty sure I like the poem more.  ::)

I know I read all of it. 

Thank you glort for putting the star things on the paragraph topic sentence.  They pulled me into two more of the paragraphs.  Pretty dark, brother.

The City of Miami is spending $400 million on raising roads and installing pumps.  Reminds me of the stories about the building of Holland.  Miami has a population of 463+ thousand divided into $400,000,000 = $863 apiece.  If it works then they'll spend some real money.

We're up to 18 verified C-19 people with 11 of them being clean for 14 days.  The other 7 are in home quarantine.  No hospitalizations as of yet.  This is out of a population of 186+ thousand.  A young fellow wanted to return from New Jersey to help with the farm and I had to say no.


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« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2020, 08:26:16 AM »
The WHO says the mortality rate of C19 is 3.4%. Assuming the worlds population is 7.5 billion then the deaths worldwide would be 255,000,000 that's America and the UK totally depopulated. Of course most people catching the virus will recover, I don't think I would survive it due to age and multiple health issues.
It appears that people aren't keeping their distance or socially isolating and there's a new form of assault, people spitting on cops and emergency service workers, WTF is wrong with people? That takes a doctor, nurse, firefighter of cop off the scene for 14 days as they must self isolate. This will pass if people take simple steps like avoiding people. Give the doctors time to develop a vaccine or other treatments. In Ireland drink stores are open (essential stores only are supposed to be open) some people are buying booze and having big house parties. Most people aren't that selfish

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Re: C-19
« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2020, 08:38:02 AM »
IMHO there's an interesting thread running through this commentary which is sort of asking . . .

"After this is over, will we go back to the same old shit?  Or will it be a wake-up call that will encourage us to do things that are good for everyone, not just a privileged few and - gasp - maybe better for the planet?"

Bets, anyone?

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« Reply #49 on: April 01, 2020, 09:23:00 AM »
IMHO there's an interesting thread running through this commentary which is sort of asking . . .

"After this is over, will we go back to the same old shit?  Or will it be a wake-up call that will encourage us to do things that are good for everyone, not just a privileged few and - gasp - maybe better for the planet?"

Bets, anyone?

I think there might be some changes. People can't have failed to notice that the casino in Wall street isn't paying like it was. Of course it's all smoke and mirrors anyway derivatives, futures, short trading etc are only a way for a few rich people to get extremely rich. Rich people like the Saudis who have decided to hit Russia where it hurts, in their pockets. Oil is at a 20 year low because they can, pretty much.
On the other hand doctors and nurses from many countries are trying hard to get home to their home countries to treat people and help their local health authority. This is potentially dangerous and there's no money in it. Why? Because most people are intrinsically good I believe. Most politicians, here at any rate, are working together for the good of the country. That's unusual!

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« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2020, 01:48:33 PM »
The WHO says the mortality rate of C19 is 3.4%. Assuming the worlds population is 7.5 billion then the deaths worldwide would be 255,000,000 that's America and the UK totally depopulated.

When I see those Numbers the thing that troubles me is WTF you going to do with all those Bodies?
Certainly not enough space to bury them, not enough Crematoriums to incinerate them,  Probably not enough timber of fuel to burn them.. maybe Dump them at sea in weighted nets and let the fish have a feed?

Problem I see is the worst hit places will be the ones less able to deal with this.
So many body's pose a great risk to health and infectious diseases in themselves.




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Of course most people catching the virus will recover, I don't think I would survive it due to age and multiple health issues.

I'm trying to convince myself this won't meet expectations because if it does, things are going to be VERY different in the world and take decades to recover..... to what ever level that is manageable. It follows a dooms day scenario very well.

I wonder in reality how many of the doomsday preppers have locked themselves in their bunkers to ride this out?
It seems to me that this will get worse for at least the next 2-3 Months and the longer it goes the greater the risk of needing more supplies. At this point, I'd say 6 Months is a minimum to be able to ride it out.

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It appears that people aren't keeping their distance or socially isolating

Well I'm very much in 2 Minds about that here.
On one hand the police are out fining people for not social distancing and there are all sorts of things you can't do.
What you CAN still do is get on a Bus, a train or a fking aircraft and pack in with everyone else.  It needs to be social distancing with everything which would mean maybe 15 people on a bus max, or the Buses, trains and planes all stop.

Atm it's like trying to keep the flies out by fitting a new flyscreen door on the front while the back door is swinging wide open.
Useless.


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and there's a new form of assault, people spitting on cops and emergency service workers,

Well the cops have guns, they should be able to drop these pricks that are threatening their life sure as pointing a gun at them. Anyone did that to me or mine and one of us would not be walking away and the odds would be in my favour with that one.

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WTF is wrong with people?

Well this is one of the things in the post China Pandemic that I see will go away.  Shit like that won't be tolerated in the future and as much as the soon to be extinct lefty snowflake mentality will have a sook and a cry about it, These people WILL be delt with by the community in a direct manner instead as the weak as legal system we have now. This Bullshit didn't go on in our parents age where things were delt with more directly and despite standards slipping in past decades, I predict there will be a return of moral and community standards that the present filth will have to abide by or find themselves  facing  a very unpleasant lesson.

The bullshit of the lives of scumbags and filth being precious is also going to go out the window when scores of Good people are lost through no fault of their own.

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That takes a doctor, nurse, firefighter of cop off the scene for 14 days as they must self isolate.

To me that's pretty much irrelevant' I know what you are saying, we can I'll afford to have these people taken out of action BUT, to me it's attempted Murder.  That simple. Should be treated exactly the same way.
This sounds like something straight out of the Leftard Loonie play book like those ANTIFA Filth. There is a group that should be arrested the second they stick their covered faces up and left on a leaky boat 20 Miles out to sea.

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This will pass if people take simple steps like avoiding people.

We'll it real mixed measures where I am.

I do see a lot of people here Hunkering down and quite enjoying the break so far. I see many on social media pissing and moaning because their lives are so inconvenienced by not being able to go to the gym but a lot just the same are trying to do the right thing.
There are others like my wife that has to go to work and cannot avoid people.  Just like all the Doctors, nurses, cops and everyone else out there the population depends on.  I really think if they gave everyone a weeks notice and said from this day for a fortnight EVERYTHING  shuts down, no one on the street at all, It would go a LONG way to levelling things out.
No going to work, no transport, no going out your door bar to the hospital.... that's it.

People all should be wearing masks outside but the Chicoms have seen to that.  Even a scarf or kerchief over their faces would be helpful if not a certain preventative.  I often wear one when tearing up the road On the motorbike in winter to keep the chill off. I got them out the other day and said to the mrs if I go out I am wearing this.

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Give the doctors time to develop a vaccine or other treatments.

Like I said, I think that is going to take a lot longer than most people not of the medical persuasion understand.

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In Ireland drink stores are open (essential stores only are supposed to be open) some people are buying booze and having big house parties. Most people aren't that selfish

I have maintained for years in all seriousness that a stiff drink does wonders for me when I get a cold. I can be sniffling and snoting and hacking my head off and a good couple of belts and the next day the improvement is as undeniable as it is dramatic.

In my ignorant opinion, if you put ethanol on your hands to kill Viruses, Putting it your blood stream must have SOME beneficial effect.
If I get any symptoms, I'll be heading to the Liquor cabinet that's for sure!  Sure as hell wont hurt if it does not help and what is to loose?
I am not a big drinker by any standard and I do not for the life of me get the compulsion so many have to booze but then again, I have never been drunk in my life.

If I did anything to make me throw up which I hate, I'd be bloody careful not to do it again.
I don't mind a drink, I just don't see it as the necessity so many do.
Probably why I have the best stocked Liquor Cupboard of anyone I know.

Who knows, those getting pissed off their faces might be dong more good than harm in this scenario.

I'm sure it's not that simple or the preventative for this would be very easy, however, maybe in this case the mental belief may be as good as any other treatment at this point in time.

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Re: C-19
« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2020, 02:11:57 PM »

Most politicians, here at any rate, are working together for the good of the country. That's unusual!

I agree.

There are still the whinging point scorers out to try and elevate their own status by pointing out the failings of others, real or imagined, in times there is no play book to go by. The public are revolting against that behaviour as sure as they are bring pressure on the gubbermint to prevent Chinese buy up of struggling businesses here which they HAVE been trying to do to make acquisitions and bargain prices.

The loud and vocal greens have all but disappeared although I did see some laughable bullshit today predictably blaming this CCP deliberate Virus on .... You guessed it, Climate change!  ::)  These people's stupidity and treachery knows no bounds at all.

For the main apart though, I also see unusual levels of co operation  between many old sparring partners. 
Maybe they know if they Fk this one up, none of them will be  around to fight over anything.
Not a lot of Pollies here under 50 yo.

They are -saying- there has been an improvement here in the infection rate.  Might be true, might be to calm the masses. No way to tell.
Hopefully this does not meet expectations because some of the qualified people I have seen making predictions are terrifying.
As a friend said to me today who also has some health issues. "It's hard to know whether to be more worried about our parents or ourselves".

The first world maybe able to help themselves but if it catches in the 3rd world, No pollie's or anything bar divine intervention will save them.

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« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2020, 02:13:27 PM »
Just 3 points Glort, Irish cops are armed if you could call it armed with a truncheon that's all. I have partied a good bit in my time but this isn't the time. These young people are mixing, getting off their face then going home unaware if they have the virus and possibly passing it on to older people. Many young people have no or near to no symptoms when they have the virus, no booze no parties is logical, we only have a small police force, parties are hard to police grog shops much easier.. Buses here are separating passengers not hard when most people are prevented from working and the bus service was a joke anyway.

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« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2020, 02:18:04 PM »
A lethal pandemic in the 3rd world? That's a racists wet dream

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« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2020, 06:22:24 PM »
Where are people spitting on others?

I'm concerned that the cleaver wealthy and their adversaries are going to rob the treasure chests that are being opened by our governments.  It smells like corporations are getting two dollars for ever single dollar that goes to the people directly here in the states.  The hypocrisy of the conservative arena is simply amazing.  Socialistic actions are devastating unless it's going into their pockets.

As for the numbers.  The death numbers are for people that actually show significant symptoms not the entire population.  This is why we lose well below 1% of the population to the annual flu.  3 million would be 1% of the population in the states while we lose <40,000.  A crazy number that still has me falling backwards.

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« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2020, 06:51:46 PM »
As*holes in Ireland are spitting on emergency services and cops. Stoned and drunk not that thats any excuse I have often been both

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« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2020, 09:26:17 PM »

Just 3 points Glort, Irish cops are armed if you could call it armed with a truncheon that's all.

Sad but perhaps a necessity these days  that is reviewed and they are given more of a deterrent.
 Maybe they wouldn't be spat on if they were armed but I get that a lot of ( law abiding ) people may not want that.

I have heard of the same thing going on here though, not just against cops etc but the general public and even old people. I believe so Piece of shit oxygen thief was arrested either friday or Saturday for it in Melbourne buy thats citys well documented Resident Terrorists, The Sudanese  thugs.


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These young people are mixing, getting off their face then going home unaware if they have the virus and possibly passing it on to older people.


Didn't mean to sound like I was condoning it.  If there is one thing I can't stand its people that get pissed and then cause trouble or use it as an excuse. Far as I'm concerned no one threatened your life if you didn't drink so therefore it's on you 10%


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Buses here are separating passengers not hard when most people are prevented from working and the bus service was a joke anyway.

Well that's better than here.  Last time I caught peak hour public transport, you could have halved the people and still been crowded.
From what I have heard from friends, public transport  has a lot fewer people using it but there are a lot of services being cancelled so the ones that are running are  packed as ever.
Can't even social distance on the city underground ( or any other) railway platforms.

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« Reply #57 on: April 02, 2020, 04:14:00 PM »
Sorry for the very late reply to to a comment made earlier in the thread,

mikenash stated:
Read my lips:  The fucking water is rising.  It's easy to measure.  Average annual rise last century was 1.4mm.

It's very easy to add cuss words and emotion to a statement in order to make it seem true and real.
The data that I have studied suggests otherwise.

Tide gauges all over the world are giving opposing trends. Florida shows some rising. Alaska shows the ocean level is falling.
Continental plates are moving all the time.
70% of the coastal major historical sites which once dotted the shorelines 3000 years ago are now under 70 ft (or more) of water due to natural rising levels resulting from glacier melt and tactonic plate movement.
We modern people think that we are somehow special compared to the hundreds of cities that have already been engulfed by natural sea rise in the past.
If man is dumb enough to build a city 4 ft. above sea level (most built in the 1600's or earlier before natural ocean rise was known) then they will succumb to the same fate as previous cities until the next ice age moves in and starts the cyclical drop in ocean levels.

Fort Denison in the Sydney harbor has one of the longest running tide gauge datasets in the world.
No remarkable sea rise is being recorded there.



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« Reply #58 on: April 02, 2020, 05:00:10 PM »
Tide gauges all over the world are giving opposing trends. Florida shows some rising. Alaska shows the ocean level is falling.
Continental plates are moving all the time.


It was well known before " climate science" Voodoo came along that sea levels rise and fall around the world.
Factors like position of the moon, heating and cooling, sea currents, wind direction and speed and other natural factors cause the sea level not to be the same all over the globe at all and they do shift.

Those with a bit of knowledge may recall that the sea levels at either end of the Panama canal are different and it has locks yet obviously the Atlantic and Pacific oceans are connected. There are also plenty of their Pet NASA authority pictures showing many land masses are expanding which are of course dismissed even though the source is the same as they normally hold out as proof positive of their fanatical beliefs. 

It's useless trying to explain anything to those that fall for climate science because they go on and on about science yet when any scientific fact is presented which counters their own, they will refute it as the source not being creditable or refuse to accept anything which undermines their position.

The WORST thing you can can say to a believer is something factual and undeniable which they cannot possibly argue about.  That is the ultimate sin and will without exception bring on the temper tantrums.

What I said and the reply's are Typical. I said  the climate change game is over, Gubbermints won't have the money for it and people will have more to worry about and the response was climate change is real and anyone who does not believe in it is an idiot.
Automatic default to the defensive and don't even address the issue made but create an argument with themselves.

I don't bother getting involved to trying to convince them. They will link newspaper and media articles from the dodgiest of gutter level journals and be adamant something published if only on the net is irrefutable proof.

I'm just sitting back laughing now. They can run round and stomp their feet and glue themselves to the road as much as they want. The rouse is over, the world can no longer afford it and people now have a real emergency and recovery  to worry about.
 If they went blue in the face before because not enough " action" was being taken, well get ready for noting at all to happen for the next 3-5 years if ever again and a nice new coal driven power station coming to a state near you.

Finally the green washing is over even if the congregation doesn't yet realise the cult has had the pin Pulled. Doesn't matter if it's real or not any more, the money and interest from the public and the pollies after their vote is gone and it's all over. 

Looks like every cloud does have a silver lining after all.  0)

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Re: C-19
« Reply #59 on: April 02, 2020, 05:57:54 PM »
I'm kinda of with glort on this sea lever rise.  While there is little doubt in my mind that the water is rising I know nothing I saw, write or substantial information I provide some folks just ain't gonna buy it.  So why bother.

Some of us like street language.  I don't know why but I'm sure it's some sort of mality in our moral composition.  No Shoe Polish!

The Big Island of Hawaii has a few more verified cases but no one has gone to the hospital as of yet diagnosed with C-19.  T. Gabbard is working hard to keep us informed and tests are still very rationed.  New, faster, more reliable tests are on the way.   

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