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Re: Kohlor 8.5 kw with Lister SR2
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2020, 11:56:35 PM »

 
Sold a Dozen Cats 2 weeks ago along with about 50Kilo of clean aluminium.  $1180 thank you. What would a cat be worth to you each after you have extracted all the metals.  For what we get for them here, I'll leave the processing to someone else!

I think you could have done better $$$.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xscrap+cat.TRS0&_nkw=scrap+cat&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_sop=16&_osacat=0&_odkw=scrap+diesel+cat&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1

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Re: Kohlor 8.5 kw with Lister SR2
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2020, 12:23:25 AM »

No one here is paying that sort of money for scrap cats.  Serviceable ones, sometimes but not scrappers.

We were previously getting about $30 ea, weren't looking a gift horse in the mouth at $100 ea.
Are those prices even viable for the amount of materials recovered and the cost of doing it? 

I see things advertised for stupid prices all the time. Doesen't mean they are getting it or is that the going price there?
For that money I'll buy a load of them here and take them over as excess baggage and have the Mrs and I a free holiday in Canada!

1000% return would be a decent investment!

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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2020, 12:44:38 AM »
Precious metals used in photography, platinum, palladium, gold, silver and mercury.

Photographic prints made  from silver will fade over time while platinum has a 200 year archival rating.

The next time you de-coke your engine save the carbon, use your printer to create a negative on a clear acetate then make your first carbon print of your Lister.

If you have a large format printer along with a digital camera in the 25+ mega pixel range the size of your negative is limited to the output size of your printer.

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Re: Kohlor 8.5 kw with Lister SR2
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2020, 01:03:30 AM »

No one here is paying that sort of money for scrap cats.  Serviceable ones, sometimes but not scrappers.

We were previously getting about $30 ea, weren't looking a gift horse in the mouth at $100 ea.
Are those prices even viable for the amount of materials recovered and the cost of doing it? 

I see things advertised for stupid prices all the time. Doesen't mean they are getting it or is that the going price there?
For that money I'll buy a load of them here and take them over as excess baggage and have the Mrs and I a free holiday in Canada!

1000% return would be a decent investment!

Better yet, send them direct to a refinery that specializes in them and not some cat buyer off the street or your local scrap yard.

The Stillwater refinery in Montana requires you to have shipments weighing in at 4,000 plus pounds, this would just be the comb removed from the canister.

The average cat contains 4 pounds of comb so it would take 500 cats to fill a tote.

Metallix will accept lots of 2000 pounds  https://metallix.com/

Both of these company's have a global presence.

Here's an assay from a sample I sent in. If I did the math right 3.70% rhodium 2000 pounds would be 2003.7 grams, 31 grams troy ounce we have 64.63 tr oz. At today's market value
there's $6527.63 USD of rhodium.

Without an assay the yards are clueless.

The assay below was done with XRF, three shots were taken of the sample being assayed. The duration of x-rays beamed on the sample was 30 seconds



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Re: Kohlor 8.5 kw with Lister SR2
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2020, 01:17:46 AM »
Haven't seen that before, I'll look into it.

Don't have a large format printer. For the cost and expense of running the things, I just send big pics out..... Usually with my wife who gets the in-house printing department at her work to do them for me. Seems the people there love doing my work as it gives them something different to work with to the usual crap they get and high quality they can put a bit of pride into doing.

25+ mega pixel?  Mine are all 54+. Bit of a pain in the arse really. Most things I do I turn the damn things way down because you just don't need that amount of res for anything I do.  Biggest prints I usually sell are A4 and people tend to get the shits with the big files when their computers or phones have a hernia trying to open them.

Some self Imported client the other week got annoyed when I sent a USB of her files to the wrong address... that would be the address she sent me in an email and got wrong.  ???
Said can't you just email them to me? I said sure, should take about 3 weeks for them all to come through and about a couple of days for you to download them all.
 
No sweetheart, these are not your regular Iphoney images you post on snap crap or facewaste ::)


Hmm, a Ton may be a bit much to fit in my suitcase but if I could realise $1000 per cat, I'd get a shipping container and fill the thing then go check out places on the French Riviera to retire to.

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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2020, 02:01:58 AM »
The Sony Alpha A900 was, I say was top of the line when I purchased it.

I hear ya on the file transfers, a FTP server would serve you well this way your client could each have a pass protected directory that they could share with ?.

I had a 4x5 and an 8x10 Cambo large format cameras, the Sony digital a brand new HP wide format, imagine ink cartridges with a chip to tell you they're out of date or near empty. A thousand dollars to replace the cartridges and that damn printer every couple of hours goes into auto pilot cleaning the ink heads.

Also had a digital back for the Cambo 4x5 large format but you can also get adapters to affix any digital camera onto a large format camera.

After me an the old lady split the sheets did not know I had a daughter in the oven, my daughter had just turned 20 when we had our first face to face. she has chosen to be a professional photographer.

At the time I had no funds to contribute towards her education, instead gave her all of my camera equipment.

I wanted to get into doing platinum prints, now I'll settle for making a pin hole camera out of a shoe box and do some carbon.

Chemicals used for carbon print, carbon black, gelatin and one other that currently gaps my mind. This link is live for the next ten days

Modern Carbon E-Book, by Sullivan.
http://ovh.to/kB9CANG


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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2020, 10:10:36 AM »

Geez that takes me back!

I had a Linhoff 4x5.  Had a Beautiful 150mm Schneider lens that was worth more than the car I was driving by a good measure.
 My dream camera. Bought it just as everything changed and it shortly because useless along with all my Bronica's and Mamiya's.  I Sold it all before it was worth completely zero which paid for my First Digital SLR. I kept my First Medium Format, A mamiya C330 Twin lens.  Always did love that camera and could do things with it I should not have been able to.
It sits in a glass cabinet now in the lounge room with some rolls of 220 VPS and VPH which I literally used many Thousands of rolls of over the years doing wedding and portraits.   Was pretty king shit then having 220 backs on everything, a whopping 20 or 24 exposures per roll.
Now I load in a 200Gb card and can easily fire off 10,000 high res jpegs.  I also used to buy a box of 35mm Neg every month and 2 Boxes the second month. A Box was 100 rolls. There was usualy also a 30M bulk load of Tmax and another or 2 of Ektachrome. I still miss trannies!

I made a LOT of money in my '20s with photography. It was actualy a profitable career then.  Used to do a lot of Commercial, industrial and advertising/ Promo work.  It paid BIG bucks. I made $12K in 36 hours once.  Got a call early one morning from a big company I had shot for wanting press kits for a launch they were doing the next day. Somehow no one had thought of that. They did not want camera's in their factory as they had specialised gear and wanted to give the press shots that would not undermine their tech or give secrets away to the competition. We still made stuff in this country then.

I had to shoot B/w For the press kits, trannies for the trade mags and neg for the promo shots for the company to put on the wall.  Shot it in the morning rushed to the lab and home to print the proofs and back to the company..... Who then ordered 100 Press kits with 8 8x10s each and needed them no later than 10 am.  Stuff me.
I went to my supplier and cleaned them out of all the Multigrade Developer, Hypam rapid and 8x10 glossy paper they had.
Took it home, Mixed up the soup in plastic garbage cans I had and fired up the processor.  I spent the entire night in that darkroom working like no tomorrow.  I had them all done by 7am, packed them all up, went and got a shower, packed my gear and headed back to the factory to shoot The PM and some other talking heads doing the opening of the new factory.... which had been running for some months by that stage.

Processed all that for them handed it over and the very nice guy I was liaising with modified my bill and rounded it up $600 and had the accounts lady cut me a check there and then.
I went home and slept for 2 days straight.

I used to do a lot of weddings, engagements, anniversary's, Christenings and 21st on the weekend as well.  I lived with my grandmother and got paid a lot of cash which I put in a big jar besides the bed in my dressing table. Only thing I really spent money on then was camera's. Didn't piss it up the wall like most people my age then and I was making a lot more than anyone else I knew of any age.... Except the guy that owed the wedding studio I strung a lot for.   I came home one day and found my uncle there with my grandmother looking very stern. I was shown the jar and a pile of cash I had thrown in the cupboard that wouldn't fit.

Upshot of it was Gran had found all the cash and thought I was dealing drugs. That was the only thing she could believe a 23YO with no education or real qualifications could be doing to make that much money. :0)  I told her often what I made but she clearly didn't believe me. I went and got my invoice book and showed them and then I was believed. That still makes me laugh thinking about it.
I still miss my grandmother.  Chances are I would be living on the streets or dead if it wasn't for her taking me in as a kid.

I owned my First home outright by the time I was 27 and had my second one paid off time I was 34.  Having a family made us cash poor but asset rich but still did it very hard for a lot of years there.

I got into photography when still at School.  My first professional assignment when I was still at school was photographing the queen coming to where I lived to declare it a city for a local Newspaper. I didn't realise the local rag was owned by one of the big media empires and 3 of my pics made it to the front page of the biggest daily in the country. I got the job over the phone and I never met the editor till weeks after when I took some pictures down to the office. He thoght I was dropping them off for my father, didn't realise a 15Yo kid was his start shooter.  :0)

Where do you go from photographing the Queen? My first assignment was also my career Highlight!  :0)
Shot a lot of celebs, Politicians rockstars and other famous and important people but a lot of them are self centred arrogant prats so nothing to be excited about.

My son went to the same high school I did.  We went to the art department on the orientation night and I was amazed to see the darkrooms still there just like they were 30 years before when I was there.  One of the enlargers had a knob broken off the focussing rack.  I pointed it out to my son and  said I did that, the thing is still here!  We were talking and he asked if I got in trouble for breaking the bit off the enlarger.
I said no, I hid it and no one knew. He asked where I hid it and I pointed to a picture rail and said up here and put my hand on it.
Stuff me if I didn't feel something and grab it and it was the knob covered in dust.  Dunno who was more stunned, me or my boy.
He knew I wasn't making up stories then that was for sure.

He worked with me in the business so took photography as an elective and of course brained it.  The teacher literally used to ask him to take classes because my son knew more than he did. Teacher told him doing art assignments and homework was optional for him because it was an automatic 100% anyway. He used to do the ones he thought was a challenge and just to be a smartarse most of the time. He always had an alternative but captivating way of doing things.
He was also great at graphic design which was all on his merit as I was and still am pathetic at that and could teach him nothing.

Like me he was not a particularly artistic Photographer, he was a practical one. He would scoff and say art didn't pay the bills so he wasn't interested but he knew the technicalities backwards of course. He was never interested in becoming a shooter, he'd had a gut-full of that since he was a kid getting roped into help me.  I always wanted him to become something more useful as I could see the writing on the wall back then as well.

He would shoot parties and things for friends, won a few state wide School photo comps and had his first centre spread Published in a magazine when he was 12 .  He was very happy with that as I wasn't published till I was 15 so he beat me by 3 years.
I took him and my Daughter to a big drag racing  meet I had to cover and left them up in the stands where I could see them from the track where I was.  I had a walking talkie with me and they had one each.  At some point he asked if he could take pics on one of the spare camera's. I said sure and I saw him walking down to the fence and around a bit.

I came home, dumped all the cards, put all the pics on my site and sent emails to the different editors telling them I had pics if they were interested in doing a piece on the event.  One guy got back to me, told me what he wanted and I sent them off.  Only sale I made.  I was looking at the pics the next day and it dawned on me they were from a different angle to anything I got. I then worked out they were all my sons even though I had shots from the track.

There was a small pic on the cover and as they were doing a piece on the car itself, the main centre pic was one my boy took.
He never let me live that down. Not that I wanted to. Proud as punch of course.

Anyway, enough of memory lane, I'm depressed enough as it is.

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Re: Kohlor 8.5 kw with Lister SR2
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2020, 11:01:36 AM »
That is an interesting hobby but I'm not smart enough to play with chemicals. Had a chestry set in high school days and mixed stuff up in a test tube, put a cork in the end and shook it all up, then it exploded and what ever it was burnt a hole in my thigh. LEsson learnt, stick with the spanners.
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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2020, 12:07:03 AM »
On the SR2 I had removed the side cover to access the con rods, pulled one cap and found the bearing not to be ion to bad of condition.'

Decided to order a new set for both jugs, in the meantime  the push rod for the lift pump had fallen to the shop floor and was missed when I had put all the other lose parts into a bag.

Taylor has been busy over the weekend working on his new toy, then I received an email asking about the missing push rod for the lift pump.

Fortunately I was ale to find it, he'll drop in after work tomorrow  afternoon to pick it up, I also found four brand new Bryce injector nozzles to include in his package.

I have a couple of spare injector lines, I'll give Taylor one so that he's able to build a pop off tester from a bottle jack. Then when I need one, will know where to borrow a pop off.


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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2020, 10:38:36 AM »
Do you think it would be worth while to measure the journals to see if there is any excess wear?
I know these engines can almost be bullet proof but as you are this close might be worth checking.
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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2020, 04:54:34 PM »
Do you think it would be worth while to measure the journals to see if there is any excess wear?
I know these engines can almost be bullet proof but as you are this close might be worth checking.

The con rod bearing shells I had removed looked perfect, not even any signs of electrolysis - pitting. And the crank journal was in perfect condition, but thought why not install new con rod shells.

I have a hunch this Lister once Taylor has the new bearings installed will be running this generator more often that that propane Onan. He can get veggie oil from the hotel and his GF works in another village with another source of oil.

I may have shot myself in the foot, creating competition on my sources of oil.

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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2020, 10:58:50 PM »
Taylor installed the bearing shells Saturday, had the engine running gravity feed, just showed up for the missing fuel pump push rod and the kid is grins ear to ear.

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« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2020, 10:20:55 AM »
So it is now running properly?
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« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2020, 10:44:47 AM »
I may have shot myself in the foot, creating competition on my sources of oil.

I have read that oil is hard to get in the US but wasn't aware the same situation was in Canada.

We had a period here right around the China Olympics when fuel got expensive and the Price of used oil shot up where the cowboy Collectors ( and they seem to be a bunch of roughshod Crooks the world over)  were telling people they would pay them for the oil and trying to scare them with all sorts of different legal bullshit trying to stop them giving it to their main competition, the veg fuel nutters.
They never paid and after promising the world to a lot of people particularly in country areas, the left a LOT of Pissed off Restaurateurs.

I couldn't say how many times when I was right into it that I'd be out early one Sunday morning doing my collection run at a resturant strip would approach me to come take their oil too because the cowboy collectors hadn't been and they had oil coming out of their Yaya's and sitting all round their back entrances.  I remember one morning this Chinese Bloke came and asked me if I was getting the oil and then virtually dragged me back to his place and presented me with the mother load of really good Oil.

I said I'd be back and thought he was going to ask for my wallet as surety I could come get it off him.  I went home, got a couple of 200L drums and out them in my trailer.  Went back and the guy had lined up another 2 Places and I filled the trailer with 25L plastic drums as well as what I pumped and had to go back AGAIN! That was just short of 1000L in one morning.
From then on I got all their oil which was a minimum of 400L a week.
I started doing a fortnightly run with an IBC in the trailer which was Much easier. I could back it up between 2 places and with the long hose I put on the pump I could get up to 3 places if they were all together.
Best year I had I Picked up over 14,000L of oil from that strip alone and I don't know how much from everywhere else. I got a bit carried aways with it though.

My friend made Bio and I'd pick it up, take the little I wanted and go drop it off in his Bio shed. Often he'd be out so I'd leave it in the shed and send him an email that I left him a little present. Sometimes  would be 1000L of oil.  I got nicknamed " The oil Fairy"  as a spin off of the tooth fairy because I made the stuff magically appear.  We used to cook up 1000L batches of Bio at a time.
I REALLY miss that time in my life. 

I can still get all the oil I want now. Places round here put it out in tins and drums and they welcome people to take it because the collectors are unreliable and pains in the arse.  Many will still come during lunch service and want staff cars moved or pull up in a grease truck dragging hoses and starting loud pumps right next to where people can be eating.  I come late at Night after they are closed or in the morning before they open and the stuff magically disappears without them seeing or hearing it, just the way they want.

I have been running my little Kubota on oil and it just loves it.  Have not touched a thing on that engine. Purrs like a kitten, runs clean as and just is a happy little engine.


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« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2020, 03:35:36 PM »
Yes the engine is running fine, have yet to hear from Taylor if he has tried the welder.

Oil in the city's is off limits, living rural they're happy to see it disappear the only time it gets scarce is during bear hunting season - the hunters bait the bears,

I had a Mitsubishi Pajero that I ran on oil for years, once in awhile someone would comment of the restaurant smell coming from the tailpipe.

Have yet to run oil in my PJ Petter but I suspect there will be no issues.