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George A

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Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« on: February 18, 2020, 02:49:04 AM »
First of all, the engine I will be playing with is not a Listeroid...........it's a 6 hp McCormick Deering horizontal gas engine. I bought it years ago from another collector who replaced a damaged flywheel with an identical flywheel from another engine. I've never run it, but he told me it was a "jumper". He'd tried placing stick on lead weights on the new flywheel without success, but I don't think he actually tried to match them. I have yet to fire it up and see what happens.....there might not actually be a problem, but I need to have a plan in place if there is.

My first thought was to build a balancing stand and place the original flywheel on it and see exactly where the heavy spot was. That flywheel would get marked at the heaviest point, removed and the "new" flywheel tested for the heaviest point......then try to get both wheels matched, either with added weights or drilling material from edge of the rim until balanced. This would (should) get both flywheels at least close to each other, then remount and run the engine.

So, with all these thoughts in mind I started to search for 38c's post on Listeroid balancing, but can't seem to find it! Could someone please point me in the right direction? :)
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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2020, 12:25:04 PM »
Thanks guys. I was a bit mystified when my search brought up a bunch of blank or deleted postings. In any case, I'm sorry to hear he left the forum. He was a good member with a lot to contribute, but his reasons are his and his alone.......and I will respect that.

Thank you for the links mike90045. The "M" series engines built by IHC were all of very high quality, so an imbalance is kind of surprising....almost HAS to be a mismatch problem. The links you provided will definitely get me off to a good start!
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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2020, 08:29:08 PM »
Might be gone., He had a hissy fit before he left and was deleting a lot of his postings.
Pretty childish if you ask me but anyway.

Just curious, but are you able to expand on that a bit? I missed it all, and it flabbergasts me that all that good info has been retracted. I missed the donnybrook I guess?
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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2020, 09:23:54 PM »
Hi Dkmc

Just to give you a slight enlightenment, Butch slammed the door to give way to other canone knowledge about the subject.

I think he dismantled all footage because they were all wrong.

Since there we are all waiting for the best practice to achive that disered goal - documented with conspicuousness, offcourse.

So far nothing but void rant.

Just my thougts.

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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2020, 12:37:06 AM »

Well, I'm glad it's not just me!

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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2020, 01:32:44 AM »
Thanks for the explanation, I'm surprised it took a bad turn. A lot of forums seem to have folks now days that get upset easily.
Butch didn't seem the type. Really unfortunate that all his content is gone. I've searched for him around the net and on some other forums, but didn't find anything.
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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2020, 11:06:02 PM »
It all makes sense to me now. Wondered for some time what happened. What I figured.
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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2020, 12:06:47 AM »
Why did 38AC delete his posts from the forum?
Interesting theories all, though according to the person in question, not correct.
Butch kindly related his reasons to me some time ago. I will assume his explanation to be confidential. If he wanted to publicise his reasons, I imagine he would have. You'll have to continue guessing.
Unfortunate that the posts are gone, as he posted many exceptionally well explained  and illustrated procedures around re-building and maintaining Lister and Listeroid engines.
Some of his wisdom can still be found on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irFF4LSZZfg
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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2020, 08:58:21 AM »
Hi Hugh

Hi think he leaves that video in the channel just for playing, because, as far as I can figured, all method is all wrong - and the engine will start in backwards.

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« Last Edit: February 21, 2020, 11:02:35 AM by sirpedrosa »
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!
Deutz MAH 914, 1952 - Zündfix in chamber and go (7Mai2023).

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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2020, 10:15:54 AM »

Hi think he leaves that video in the channel just for playing, because, as far as I can figured, all method is all wrong - and the engine will start in backwards.

Makes perfect sense to me, and it works for any 4 stroke engine, as inlet and exhaust cam lobes will always rock over on TDC.




He made a post saying what I related and I also recall him saying something about getting a bad reputation with his customers for being here.  Maybe the story has changed?

Who knows for sure?

Everything 38AC put on this forum was quality material, can you make that claim?

Sure some of his posts was pretty simple and common sense stuff to anyone who has been around old engines for any time, but for someone who just got into this hobby, it was a valuable information source.

He backed up his posts with concise and good quality photos, and although he had a comprehensive workshop, he tailored his posts to the level of someone who had minimal experience and tools.

Whilst clearly no one is irreplaceable, whoever/whatever prompted 38AC to do what he did. The result was a big loss for this forum as a whole.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2020, 10:52:50 AM by listard-jp2 »

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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2020, 11:20:16 AM »
Hi JP2


Hi think he leaves that video in the channel just for playing, because, as far as I can figured, all method is all wrong - and the engine will start in backwards.


Makes perfect sense to me, and it works for any 4 stroke engine, as inlet and exhaust cam lobes will always rock over on TDC.


Do not forget that cam lobes must be in different offsets, to run backward.

My post was to amuse us a little and to divert the subject, that beggins to be corrosive. IMHO.

I think the important thing here is not to see who has the best ballerina feet, to walk on the tips of the toes.

Butch is perfectly available to anyone who wants to consult and consider that his opinion is important.

It will certainly not be available for nonsense, and free offenses.

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VP
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!
Deutz MAH 914, 1952 - Zündfix in chamber and go (7Mai2023).

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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2020, 01:43:28 PM »
@ Listard-jp2: I share your views on this matter.
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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2020, 02:24:31 PM »


Do not forget that cam lobes must be in different offsets, to run backward.

Not so if you have a Lister A,B, or D type engine, or Bamford EV/EG series engines, as these engines only have a single cam lobe

My post was to amuse us a little and to divert the subject, that beggins to be corrosive. IMHO.


Sorry I missed that, your humor was obviously so subtle it went straight over my head ;)


Butch is perfectly available to anyone who wants to consult and consider that his opinion is important.


Thanks, I will bear it in mind for future reference.

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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2020, 03:14:18 PM »
JP2

We  were talking about a CS roid, not  all other exceptions.

The all other quotes be my guest.

Have a good weekend.
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By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!
Deutz MAH 914, 1952 - Zündfix in chamber and go (7Mai2023).