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George A

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Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« on: February 18, 2020, 02:49:04 AM »
First of all, the engine I will be playing with is not a Listeroid...........it's a 6 hp McCormick Deering horizontal gas engine. I bought it years ago from another collector who replaced a damaged flywheel with an identical flywheel from another engine. I've never run it, but he told me it was a "jumper". He'd tried placing stick on lead weights on the new flywheel without success, but I don't think he actually tried to match them. I have yet to fire it up and see what happens.....there might not actually be a problem, but I need to have a plan in place if there is.

My first thought was to build a balancing stand and place the original flywheel on it and see exactly where the heavy spot was. That flywheel would get marked at the heaviest point, removed and the "new" flywheel tested for the heaviest point......then try to get both wheels matched, either with added weights or drilling material from edge of the rim until balanced. This would (should) get both flywheels at least close to each other, then remount and run the engine.

So, with all these thoughts in mind I started to search for 38c's post on Listeroid balancing, but can't seem to find it! Could someone please point me in the right direction? :)
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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2020, 05:47:15 AM »

Might be gone., He had a hissy fit before he left and was deleting a lot of his postings.
Pretty childish if you ask me but anyway.


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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2020, 12:25:04 PM »
Thanks guys. I was a bit mystified when my search brought up a bunch of blank or deleted postings. In any case, I'm sorry to hear he left the forum. He was a good member with a lot to contribute, but his reasons are his and his alone.......and I will respect that.

Thank you for the links mike90045. The "M" series engines built by IHC were all of very high quality, so an imbalance is kind of surprising....almost HAS to be a mismatch problem. The links you provided will definitely get me off to a good start!
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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2020, 08:29:08 PM »
Might be gone., He had a hissy fit before he left and was deleting a lot of his postings.
Pretty childish if you ask me but anyway.

Just curious, but are you able to expand on that a bit? I missed it all, and it flabbergasts me that all that good info has been retracted. I missed the donnybrook I guess?

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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2020, 09:23:54 PM »
Hi Dkmc

Just to give you a slight enlightenment, Butch slammed the door to give way to other canone knowledge about the subject.

I think he dismantled all footage because they were all wrong.

Since there we are all waiting for the best practice to achive that disered goal - documented with conspicuousness, offcourse.

So far nothing but void rant.

Just my thougts.

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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2020, 12:30:42 AM »
Hi Dkmc

Just to give you a slight enlightenment, Butch slammed the door to give way to other canone knowledge about the subject.

I think he dismantled all footage because they were all wrong.

Since there we are all waiting for the best practice to achive that disered goal - documented with conspicuousness, offcourse.

So far nothing but void rant.

Just my thougts.

Cheers
VP

After reading this several times, I have no idea what you are talking about and can deduce nothing from it other than your forum Logon is working correctly.   ::)

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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2020, 12:37:06 AM »

Well, I'm glad it's not just me!

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After reading this several times, I have no idea what you are talking about and can deduce nothing from it other than your forum Logon is working correctly.   ::)
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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2020, 01:08:00 AM »

Just curious, but are you able to expand on that a bit? I missed it all, and it flabbergasts me that all that good info has been retracted. I missed the donnybrook I guess?

I believe the Crux of it was butch got all bent out of shape at yours truly because he didn't like my way of writing and mannerisms  and I believe also got upset because people here discuss things off the topic of engines and share  online personal friendships which he seemed to have some problem with and thought was inappropriate.

I'll be damned if I am going to watch my P's and Q's because some Politically correct Princesses can't handle normal adult civil language.
Instead of the precious Pussy's expecting everyone else to become like them, which I will Never do, It might behove them to man up, take a big tablespoon of concrete and harden the fark  up.

The fact he took all his posts down particularly if I was his main problem as he told others, only shows that he was not here at all to help people but in fact for self gratification. There wasn't any donnybrook as such, no arguments or problems other than one way it seems,  just a few comments pertaining to his displeasure and then he disappeared after removing all his worthwhile posts as if to punish people here. 
Like I said, Bloody childish IMHO.

I got to say, I have been amazed several times at the way people on forums about " Manly" Subjects get so damn precious and easily offended or at least fein offence.  The most incredible ones I have ever seen are on metalworking and metal casting forums.  You'd think blokes playing with blast Furnaces and melting metal in their back yards or belting the crap out of red hot steel for fun Might have a decent pair of gonads but I don't think I have seen a bigger bunch of Soft Cock whining little girls in my life!  My wife looks at a Knitting forum where the participants are thicker skinned than those guys!  I don't know why men are becoming such a bunch of hysterical girls.
Probably something to do with the way people get so wrapped up in social media these days and let it affect their real world reality.


Just after Butch disappeared, Bruce also seemed to get a bad case of the PC leftie disease and became upset with a lot of things different  people besides myself said which he expressed offence at. He took his bat and ball and went home as well lamenting Butch's withdrawal.
I surmise Bruce and Butch have found a cosy safe space corner of the internet where they can sit and eat Cucumber sandwiches  and drink tea with their little pinkies sticking out lamenting the impertinence of the great unwashed here.   :laugh:
Good luck to them.

Pitty, because Bruce was a clever man and I particularly admired his electronic skills and practical ways of doing things. He helped me with a few things I use every day and were able to work out with his help and I think of him in gratitude every time I look at them thinking what an asset they are to me.

 I know he had health issues which I'm sure didn't make him feel any better and I hope he is going well whatever he is doing now.
I see he does log in here from time to time.

People come and go, no one is indispensable, such is life.  I do hope Bob and Ed are able to find more time to come back here. They both have a lot on their plates and probably not much leisure time to surf the net. They are a pair of very smart cookies that a person can Learn a LOT from.

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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2020, 01:32:44 AM »
Thanks for the explanation, I'm surprised it took a bad turn. A lot of forums seem to have folks now days that get upset easily.
Butch didn't seem the type. Really unfortunate that all his content is gone. I've searched for him around the net and on some other forums, but didn't find anything.

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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2020, 11:06:02 PM »
It all makes sense to me now. Wondered for some time what happened. What I figured.
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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2020, 12:06:47 AM »
Why did 38AC delete his posts from the forum?
Interesting theories all, though according to the person in question, not correct.
Butch kindly related his reasons to me some time ago. I will assume his explanation to be confidential. If he wanted to publicise his reasons, I imagine he would have. You'll have to continue guessing.
Unfortunate that the posts are gone, as he posted many exceptionally well explained  and illustrated procedures around re-building and maintaining Lister and Listeroid engines.
Some of his wisdom can still be found on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irFF4LSZZfg
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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2020, 08:58:21 AM »
Hi Hugh

Hi think he leaves that video in the channel just for playing, because, as far as I can figured, all method is all wrong - and the engine will start in backwards.

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Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227

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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2020, 09:01:33 AM »

Interesting theories all, though according to the person in question, not correct.

He made a post saying what I related and I also recall him saying something about getting a bad reputation with his customers for being here.  Maybe the story has changed?


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You'll have to continue guessing.

Yeah, Thanks but no thanks.  That would require a level of interest I simply don't have.  Whatever his reasons, good luck to him.

There is more than one method of balancing an engine and I remember doing the Governor on my engine exactly the same as he did only I was unawares of his method at the time. Seemed pretty logical just by looking how it operated.

These are simple engines that have been around a long time and not that hard to work out really. Just takes a bit of understanding of what the destination is so the route can be worked out.

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Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2020, 10:15:54 AM »

Hi think he leaves that video in the channel just for playing, because, as far as I can figured, all method is all wrong - and the engine will start in backwards.

Makes perfect sense to me, and it works for any 4 stroke engine, as inlet and exhaust cam lobes will always rock over on TDC.




He made a post saying what I related and I also recall him saying something about getting a bad reputation with his customers for being here.  Maybe the story has changed?

Who knows for sure?

Everything 38AC put on this forum was quality material, can you make that claim?

Sure some of his posts was pretty simple and common sense stuff to anyone who has been around old engines for any time, but for someone who just got into this hobby, it was a valuable information source.

He backed up his posts with concise and good quality photos, and although he had a comprehensive workshop, he tailored his posts to the level of someone who had minimal experience and tools.

Whilst clearly no one is irreplaceable, whoever/whatever prompted 38AC to do what he did. The result was a big loss for this forum as a whole.
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