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Re: another disaster: silver gunk in new oil
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2020, 10:17:00 PM »
Put a small cup of luboil and add some of your wvo
Stir it and look the next day how it turned out.

Your Line is probebly blocket with this gunk.

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Re: another disaster: silver gunk in new oil
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2020, 02:54:34 PM »

A product of considerable blow-by of veg oil fuel and oil.
Polymerized veg oil. (maybe some water too).
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Re: another disaster: silver gunk in new oil
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2020, 03:07:08 PM »

Seen LOTS of Poly, never seen it like in the picture or that colour.

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Re: another disaster: silver gunk in new oil
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2020, 04:44:42 PM »

Seen LOTS of Poly, never seen it like in the picture or that colour.

That's the new "Silver Sludge" poly.  Came out in 2019  ;D

I'm suggesting water, Oil, and WVO. And this engine does have a history of water leaks.

There are only 3 liquids in that engine. What else can it be.?
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Re: another disaster: silver gunk in new oil
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2020, 04:58:37 PM »
Well, I think I have to report - confess - that I think this is the result of water leaking in from the coolant system, via an improper gasket and my insufficient cleaning out of the old oil when doing an oil change. 

The last 2 oil changes (at about 100 hours each, which comes out to about once a year) I have treated an oil change like a car oil change:  pull the plug, wait, put plug back in, refill.   

In this investigation, I went all the way down to the white paint: I was in there with fingers and rags until every drop was out.  The sludge that I had previously not cleaned out was pancake batter thick, at best.  I did get all the way down and found a magnet in there (did I put that there, or is that standard??) but there was nothing stuck to it.  So, previous changes didn't do half the job it should have.

So, I think the silver IS in fact metallic powder of wear and tear, but caught up in water-infused oil. 

Still, nothing seems overly loose or worn, surprisingly.   This summer, I'll put the head again and attempt another gasket.
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Re: another disaster: silver gunk in new oil
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2020, 10:53:33 PM »
Looks like coolant to me. I had a 400 pontiac in a jet boat do that from an intake manifold leak but was a little more white color than that. Mine was contaminated by lake water the boat uses for cooling.

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Re: another disaster: silver gunk in new oil
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2020, 02:45:49 AM »
Looks like coolant to me. I had a 400 pontiac in a jet boat do that from an intake manifold leak but was a little more white color than that. Mine was contaminated by lake water the boat uses for cooling.

that is great to hear an answer... I'm just scratching my head.   I did try and mix some oil and coolant in a jar and shake it... but it probably has to be heated up or something.     After my extensive clean out, I ran it again for about 3 hours with a load, and took a peak.  Here's what I saw:



weird white-ish, not so silver...     

if it is coolant, I guess I'm done running this thing until I can redo the gasket. 
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Re: another disaster: silver gunk in new oil
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2020, 03:39:23 AM »
The water will find its way to the bottom, you have to wipe it out, dry with gasoline, flush all the nooks and crannies with 99% alcohol or acetone (to absorb the water) ,and then re-wipe dry with gasoline.

I've also heard that ATF  will suck up water too, maybe wipe dry, squirt a bunch of cheap ATF around, drain that and wipe out dry again.   Then try oil.

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Re: another disaster: silver gunk in new oil
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2020, 04:19:28 AM »


Now THAT looks like water to me. It would have to be enough metal that you'd really know something was very wrong.
I dont think you'd get the same result shaking a water oil mix, this is really blended.

Must be a pretty good Coolant leak.
You could try a sealer if you don't want to pull the engine down.  Better to do it right but if you need the thing going atm and cant spare the time......

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Re: another disaster: silver gunk in new oil
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2020, 01:29:55 PM »
I think it is fuel maybe because running a cold engine. Or just blowby.
Vegitable oil can give nice gunk.
Regards bernhard.

are you suggesting that my fuel - my used vegetable oil - is getting into the engine cavity and turning silver and gunking up the motor oil?   That doesn't seem to possible to me. 

WVO can cause motor oil to polymerize. I'm not sure if that is what's happening here.

Yes, both fuel and combustion byproducts get past the rings in large quantities. That is in fact what makes the oil black. Air compressor oil stays clean nearly forever.
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