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AdeV

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Where has the "Where has glort gone" thread gone?
« on: October 19, 2019, 12:23:35 PM »
Gentlemen -

As the result of a number of complaints regarding the titular thread, causing me to have to look through it carefully, I have temporarily quarantined it. It hasn't been deleted or altered in any way yet, just moved. Whilst I do what's necessary, I would very VERY much appreciate it if readers would please - for my sake - not engage in public speculation, mud-flinging, or any other such activities that will cause an undue amount of work for the one person here who has to be moderator.

One thing that did cause me to stop and think - and realise a shortcoming of the forum - was this:

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far as I can find this site has NO rules or guidelines

That brought me up short. I could have sworn there were some rules and guidelines.... and there are! But it turns out, you only get one shot at reading them - when you register as a new user - and then they never get seen again. I shall rectify that properly over the next couple of days, but here - for your reading pleasure, is the LEGAL AGREEMENT that you all signed up to when you joined:

This text is the binding legal agreement you must agree to to become a member here:

You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law. You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless you own the copyright or you have written consent from the owner of the copyrighted material. Spam, flooding, advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are also forbidden on this forum.

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In respect of the thread which triggered this latest round of, can I say this, bitchy snarking, I would like to specifically emphasise some of the DO NOTs from the above:

...you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene,...

As someone else said - we're all adults here. Most of us are probably quite old an cantankeous. Many of us are opinionated, some of us (I include myself, BTW, in this bracket) extraordinarily so. But that really doesn't mean we need to stoop to the level of today's snowflake millenial twitter-hater - either in how we respond to other members, or how we write our messages. It seems to me that the rise and rise of "social media" (Twitter, Facebook, message boards like this one, comment sections on newpaper articles & so on) has caused a massive increase in just how much anger and hate we're (we the human race, not we the LEF members...) willing to pour over complete strangers, just because they have a different opinion on a matter to someone. As we're generally older, probably wiser, and mostly more experienced in life than the sort of idiots who infest Twitter with their constant effing and blinding, let's try to make LEF a more pleasant place to be eh?

BTW: None of the legal rules above apply, as far as I know, to private messages - so if you really want to chew someone out, send a PM :)
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Re: Where has the "Where has glort gone" thread gone?
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2019, 02:09:30 PM »
Hallelujah, Hallelujah, Halleee...lujah

Finally some wisdom. Unnecessary for gray hair... I think, but...!

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Re: Where has the "Where has glort gone" thread gone?
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2019, 02:11:57 PM »
I would suggest Ade that having a rules and guidelines page would be about as useful as tits on a Bull. If one doesn't know what's right and what is wrong, spelling it out isn't going to do much except be used by some snowflakes  that will want to hold them out as excuses to complain about everything they don't like.

This is EXACTLY what happened on the Micro site and a definite reason a number of people left and lost interest in the place.   Moderation there  was a power trip that went to some peoples heads and they wanted to play god with their interpretation of everything they did not like said being against the rules. Was a complete joke. 
As I suggested in the hidden thread, It didn't work on the Micro site, do you want to take a gamble on taking this to the perpetually offended level of twiterists  and other cupcake social Media and see what result that has? Clearly there are many for it. Maybe they might like to go back to the very safe space the Micro site has become and carry on there and leave this one to the offensive people that upset them so greatly.  Sounds a reasonable soloution to me given the other site is free and open right now and would give it some new life. Far as I know the moderators ther are still in place so those that want that sort of rule and biased regulation already and always have ahd a place to go that is run to their liking. Makes me wonder what they are doing here if the place and the participants have become so offensive to them.

And given that I just know my comments right here will also upset some of the more precious members, just let me know if you want me to go and leavve them to it.  No way I want to be in a place where I have to watch every word and expression said in jest or fun lest somone get all bent out of shape and offended.,

I think the majority of people here have a thick enough skin and pair of balls NOT to be offended by every offhand comment.  Those that don't that seem to be complaining more regularly of late about more comments than just the ones I make and need to practice the PC values they try to espouse and push on others.  As I also said, I think I get more thrown at me than most here and certainly in the hidden thread but I much rather have that than the place turn into a kindergarten for a lot of little precious princesses.

One of the prime sooks of the cupcakes and snowflakes is to brand anything they don't like as hateful or hate speech. Minute you see that you know you have some fair floss mentality just looking for a reason to be aggrieved. I don't know why this has come up all the sudden but I'll bet there are loads of Chinese whispers going on behind the scenes already with PM's between the aggrieved.

FFS lets keep the place one where men can talk rather than a "safe space" for perpetually offended little girls.
The fact people complained about that thread makes me shake my head in disappointment that this place is in fact becoming like every other bedwetter infested place on the net. What the hell is happening that men are being turned into such mice even at the age of most here that have no doubt got into more than one dust up in their life and thought nothing of it?

You are the commander in chief though, up to you how you want it to run.

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Re: Where has the "Where has glort gone" thread gone?
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2019, 03:03:16 PM »
FWIW

At least I have a Lister to entertain myself, enjoy pics of myself, rant with myself (well... sometimes a bite here... a bite there).

Maybe I'll end up alone here at LEF, who knows? With so many members getting off.

Cheers
VP

PS: I've new wine of this year harvest. Anyone want a glass?
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Re: Where has the "Where has glort gone" thread gone?
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2019, 04:24:34 PM »
Glort: What I need you - and everyone - to understand is: We ARE losing members because of some of the stuff that gets posted on this forum. You've stuck your head above the parapet so you might think you're being targeted; but that's not the case. I've tried to use a "light touch" policy of moderation here (some might even say a "non existent touch"). I intend to continue that as much as possible, but I have to listen to what's being said.

I've had more complaints about posts (NOT just yours, before you get thinking you get a prize or something) in the last 6 months than in the last 5 years of looking after this place. I've also noticed the numbers of new user registrations have been falling too. To me, that says, I'm either not doing something I should be doing, or doing something I shouldn't be doing.

Therefore, from hereon in:


Attacks on, or badmouthing, other members - is hereby banned. ANYONE wishing to "have a pop" at someone else, DO NOT post it on the forum, send it to me in the form of a PM, or a moderation report, or directly to the person in the form of a PM. If you think someone has posted something that is an attack on you personally; notify me via a moderator's report. If I agree - and I will be judge, jury and executioner on this - then the post gets deleted. Repeat offences will lead to a temporary or permanent ban and or your membership being terminated.

Regarding the use of foul or inflammatory language: I really don't have an issue with this. If you post just a tirade of swearwords (that isn't directed at a stuck/snapped head stud on a Lister), then you might find your post getting edited or deleted, but I'm really not interested in stopping people from saying what they think. Unless what they think falls under the paragraph above - in which case, restrict yourself to thinking it for all of our sakes.


I apologise for the general negativity in this post. Since we clearly need to do some housekeeping around here, I'll start another thread to cover that, just in case this one ends up in the trash...
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Re: Where has the "Where has glort gone" thread gone?
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2019, 06:29:26 PM »
I like this site, there's little on the internet of interest to men my age if you exclude porn, people selling stuff and pathetic "social media". There are some very irritating people on this site, there are some very irritating relatives at family gatherings too, that's life. I have relatives that I could cheerfully strangle but I don't.

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Re: Where has the "Where has glort gone" thread gone?
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2019, 08:43:58 PM »
Coach; Count me in.  Your judgement is good enough for me.

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Re: Where has the "Where has glort gone" thread gone?
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2019, 12:13:39 AM »

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I've had more complaints about posts (NOT just yours, before you get thinking you get a prize or something) in the last 6 months than in the last 5 years of looking after this place.I've also noticed the numbers of new user registrations have been falling too. To me, that says, I'm either not doing something I should be doing, or doing something I shouldn't be doing.

IF the complaints are coming from the same people, that tells me it's them not you nor anyone else.

I have seen the fall off in activity in a whole bunch of forums including ones I only read but don't participate in.  Even the heavily moderated boards are slowly but surely dwindling.  I doubt it's anything to do with the management or Members here, I think it has a lot to do with the domination of face ache in particular as well as other social media platforms.
I saw a car forum some months ago that said they were considering going to a facewaste group. Some thought it was a great idea, some said they rather have bamboo shoved under their fingernails. I'd be in the latter camp there.
Just seems to me that a lot of people aren't interested in anything old, Learning anything particularly DIY and using a computer as against their phone and for playing games with.

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Therefore, from hereon in:


Attacks on, or badmouthing, other members - is hereby banned. ANYONE wishing to "have a pop" at someone else, DO NOT post it on the forum, send it to me in the form of a PM, or a moderation report, or directly to the person in the form of a PM. If you think someone has posted something that is an attack on you personally; notify me via a moderator's report. If I agree - and I will be judge, jury and executioner on this - then the post gets deleted. Repeat offences will lead to a temporary or permanent ban and or your membership being terminated.

I have NO problem with your judgement and welcome it. Makes me think all will be well and fair here.
Like I said, for those that feel things are too harsh for them here, the Micro site is free and open and has moderation of a level that would suit. Perfect setup to revive that site and cater to people of a certain proclivity.

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Since we clearly need to do some housekeeping around here, I'll start another thread to cover that, just in case this one ends up in the trash...

Question that comes back to me is what can we do to turn things around and build the site?  As I said, I don't think this is a forum/ subject specific problem, seems to be one a great many similar sites are experiencing.