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Re: California power outages......anyone running on Lister-roid power?
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2019, 06:18:25 PM »
Nice rants.  In the nicest of meanings.

Too many people.  Yup.  I'm betting on a big sickness or incredible war over rational thinking as a resolution.  Or a combination?  Too bad corporate capitalism can't figure out how to make an acceptable living without counting on an infinitely growing market.  The down side of a life solution based on greed.

OK.  I'm a capitalist.  I don't have a corporate avatar.  Just cheese sandwich me and the corporate monsters.  I've adjusted my lifestyle to fit my market income.  Don't let it get around as i don't want to be harassed as all socialist democratic thinkers must be.  Keep America Great Always!  Is that the new chant now that we've had such great leadership?  The greatest leadership you've ever seen.  Some of you may doubt how great it's been but trust me, he who knows, the one, it's been the greatest ever.

The good news is that as people make more money their child count goes down dramatically.  Now if only we had an infinite world.
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« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2019, 01:21:17 AM »
No, Glort. Using snide names for California and calling it a laughingstock of the world as a non-American isn't an "opinion" of any value to anyone. An opinion would be expressing how you think various policies have adversely affected power management.  You're just rationalizing your spleen venting, and trying to feel better about yourself by tearing down others.  That's your specialty, and it's why you are on this unmoderated forum. 

I think 38AC was right about the need for moderation.  It's not the same for me here without him. The education in following his projects was priceless.













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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2019, 06:40:21 AM »

Well, you guys aren't exactly slinging acid, but you sure know how to Fart in each others general direction.

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« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2019, 08:40:21 AM »
Amen.



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« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2019, 03:20:32 PM »
Kalifornia is in a downward spiral.  The whole thing is topsy turvey.
 San Francisco is the leader of insanity, followed by Santa Monica & Vence
Because of folks living in tents and using drugs, the sidewalks are nearly impassible, solution -
Ban private cars from main street
 Plastic pollution ending up in ocean - Ban straws, but it's ok to hand out sterile needles with plastic syringes, to be discarded on the beach sand.  You HAVE to wear shoes to the beach, or risk stepping on a used needle.
Water from rivers being sold to southern kalifornia - Prohibit using water from the river in my backyard, so there is enough to go around.   
Dammed Sonoma Dodder plants ( grape vines )  are sucking up water like mad, but the salmon are dying off

Stores cant install backup power generators, because the fees, permits and regulations cost more annually than the expenses from blackouts.
We cant allow the trees by power lines to be trimmed, so we must shut off the power for 3 days for your safety

The state is seething with example after example of idiots leading the way downhill.

Born and lived here all my life, but it's now become a loony bin


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« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2019, 03:40:19 PM »
Stores cant install backup power generators, because the fees, permits and regulations cost more annually than the expenses from blackouts.

I saw that in a vid earlier this week. Grocery store ended up giving away the contents of the freezers.
That just seems totally unjust......and complete lunacy. The MAN wants to be in total control of you, and needs you to be helpless.
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« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2019, 04:12:14 PM »
So where are they doing it right?  Shed some light. 
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« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2019, 04:30:32 PM »
So where are they doing it right?  Shed some light.

Good question.....
What is 'right'??
AFAIK even in New York State, you are allowed to purchase, install, and operate an emergency generator with no 'fees'.
I'm sure the install must meet electrical codes, and possibly a building permit may be required, but those are standard.
There are many businesses of all sizes around here with back up generators.
I'd like to know what all IS required in Cali, that it makes loosing an entire store freezer section less costly than having
a back up gen set.
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« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2019, 05:35:11 PM »
So where are they doing it right?  Shed some light.

We've got some of it right-ish here, although a combination of Free Market influences on government policy and pendulum-swung-too-far Green/Liberal influences on legislation are threatening . . .

However anyone can and does collect rainwater or run a permit-free domestic water bore.  Business folks are encouraged to run back-up generators in recognition of the run-down infrastructure (that Free Market stuff again) and in recognition of the increase in severe weather events

Communities are encouraged to develop resiliance (the aforementioned Free Market Model has allowed roading & other essential infrastructure to degrade as contractior/utility companies have pocketed huge profits) and initiatives around solar, small-community wireless internet etc are common

As a nation we are grappling with how to reverse the degradation of our natural resources that is the result of a century of exploitation - without damaging the economy too badly

It's not that place it used to be (although I guess old folks always say that) but it's still a great place to live

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« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2019, 07:22:44 PM »
After you get a permit for a emergency backup generator (limited to <200 hours operation per year )
http://www.aqmd.gov/home/permits/emergency-generators#Fact4

And pay all the local, state and AQMD ( Air Quality Management District )   you can then begin to pursue the purchase and installation of a generator.  Do not even pour the concrete pad to allow for proper cure time, you will be in volition, until you have the permit.
    and it just gets worse....   So basically, only Hospitals have backup generation.
And don't forget to renew that permit......

Our last outage (Oct 9 2019) lasted for about 3 days, 72 hours of your generator time gone.  It's not unusual to get 2 to 4 Santa Anna / Diablo wind events each fall.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/california-wildfires/article/PG-E-power-shut-off-Diablo-winds-to-blame-for-14501564.php

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« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2019, 10:21:30 AM »
I'm totally underwhelmed. 

I ask again.  Where are they doing it right?

I guess I'm really asking for a rational definition of "right".  Let's stick with backup generators.  (I hear they pollute on many levels.)

What would you think of requiring an instillation of one kilowatt of solar for every kilowatt of generator capacity?  Do we temper the requirements for propane generators over diesel?

On a sidebar; does anyone know the justification / rational of banning rainwater collection and storage?
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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2019, 05:42:51 PM »
I'm totally underwhelmed. 

I ask again.  Where are they doing it right? 
  I don't know, I've not been there.
More right, would be to allow the use of a generator, in an emergency.  Not a 2 hour outage, but in a situation where the grid has failed and it's more than 6 hours before it's expected to return.  if I ran a food store, and my inventory was about to spoil, and it takes 2 years to get a business insurance claim cleared, that would be an emergency and I would want to start a generator to preserve my investment.  Or to be able to pump gasoline for the next 3 days.   Or to keep the kidney dialysis center open and cleaning folks blood.



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I guess I'm really asking for a rational definition of "right".  Let's stick with backup generators.  (I hear they pollute on many levels.) 
 
 They do pollute.  So in an emergency, is it better to have 1 big generator parked at a sub-station feeding the local grid, or folks at random, wiring generators up to their house, spilling gasoline, putting a generator under a window and die from CO poisoning ?

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What would you think of requiring an instillation of one kilowatt of solar for every kilowatt of generator capacity?  Do we temper the requirements for propane generators over diesel?
Nice idea, solar only works 6 hours of the day, generator has to pick that slack up at night.

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« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2019, 11:11:09 PM »
I spose calipornia would want some hefty licensing fees to throw some panels on your lawn in an emergency as well.

Naw, outlaw them completely as well. The sooner the sheeple get hungry and thirsty, the sooner and easier it is to control them or round them up. Is it possible this shut-off exercise was a test to see how they handled themselves? Gotta be room for just one more conspiracy theory....
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« Reply #43 on: October 19, 2019, 09:10:25 PM »
I have tried to lead you to the fresh water.  It is to splash upon your head rather than drink it; it can do more good. 

I have an apartment house (five units) which is on a well.  The power went out for 5 days.  I couldn't get any repair priority because the rules don't have any exceptions for wells.  This is one of the problems with city people writing the rules that quasi country folk have to live with.  I'll find the power requirements and start a thread about which generator or battery pack to install that will be exercised every couple of years.

I still hope for some good or smart examples of how some bureaucracy is handling emergency power.
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« Reply #44 on: October 19, 2019, 11:15:31 PM »
Different countries have different rules. In Ireland you are allowed a generator but it has to be connected properly by a certified qualified electrician at huge expense. My generator can be connected at short notice by an unapproved method that supplies the house perfectly well. If I can caught I face a €10,000.00 fine or 6 months imprisonment or both.

I have a well it's 165 feet deep and the water is hard as nails but I have a water softener and filter so it comes out of the tap fine. If mains water (government supplied) is available you have to use it no choice. At the moment there is only a charge for excess water usage but that's likely to change. I have no access to mains water so I use the well however the state owns everything  under the house so they can meter and charge me for water pumped and cleaned at my expense if they want to, and in the future they probably will. You own only 1 metre below any land or property you have.

Rainwater harvesting is encouraged for gardens, washing cars etc in a rural area it would be very difficult to police if it was illegal anyway. Putting up solar panels or a wind turbine without the proper paperwork is impossible and the paperwork, permits etc isn't easily got nor is it cheap.

I also have a septic tank which has an annual inspection charge. Interestingly the gubbermint (thanks Glort great word) gave me a 5 year derogation if 5 years inspection charges were paid in advance, figure that one out!