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Anyone on this forum running their Lister-or-roid on the west coast due to power outage?
I suspect if they were, they'd have already posted here

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Re: California power outages......anyone running on Lister-roid power?
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2019, 05:46:19 AM »
My dad ran his 6/1 to keep the freezer inline! He is 93. I bought 2 from George many years ago. He put electric start on his. I think that may be a good idea as years move on.
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Re: California power outages......anyone running on Lister-roid power?
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2019, 05:58:29 AM »
I'm here in the thick of it, but I'm also off-grid and it's been sunny, haven't run the 6/1 for power for several months.  Rain expected next week, may need it then.

Tom in Hopland, same thing, off grid, solar, and it's sunny.

Stores were a mess. Costco out of bottled water, all grocery stores were swarmed. Hardware stores sold out of generators and parts to make suicide power cords.  Lots of rural folks on wells needing 240VAC to run, but not with a cheap genset.

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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2019, 06:13:10 AM »
Gentleman, glad to see a quick response from a few of you. We all, (group members from all over the country and the world) can learn from your experiences with this situation. Sounds like stocking up on water or having a well is a GOOD idea. Please share your experience here and tell us how you managed this situation.
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2019, 06:31:58 AM »
I think the final count was 700,000 households and business shut down for about 3 - 4 days. PG&E was pretty quick to get the grid inspected and turned back on.   The wind patterns were only mild and dindn't knock stuff down (but at the mountain tops they logged +70mph winds) .

But stores and restaurants lost cold storage inventory (any fixed generators over 50hp need an expensive permit from the AQMD (air quality management district) ATM's and credit card systems went down because of disconnects in the data lines - somewhere a phone system looses it's backup and there goes everything that feeds thru it.

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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2019, 06:55:21 AM »

I haven't watched TV in over 10 years......WHY did they shut off the power??
I am on the internet, but don't look at the news sites regular. Did anyone have forewarning on this? Enough time to stock up on gasoline?

Why wouldn't Cali require the permit for gen sets over FIVE hp.....just to make life a total PITA?

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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2019, 12:27:56 PM »

How interesting this situation is.

They shut off the power because they were blamed for bushfires previously and are trying to protect their corporate arses.
They are saying the wind and dry condition make it necessary for them to play it safe.
The thing that instantly concours to me is here in oz we have much hotter temps, half the country is in Drought, the winds they are saying make things so dangerous wouldn't be given a second thought here and fires caused by power lines are extremely rare. Certainly if the power was shut down to a large area with this excuse, No one would think it anything but a load of BS and how the hell the system got in such a piss poor state in the first place.

This leads me to wonder what sort of circus PG&E are running?

We are facing a lot of outages this summer due to the Political Virtue signalling and idiotic mis management and pandering of our gubbermints and there is a lot to be learned from this Commifornia blackout.

First thing for me is how we are going backwards. Blackouts were common when I was a kid, the last 20 years they are very rare and mainly caused by accidents and bad weather such as lightning strikes or VERY bad storms. Rare for power to be out for more than a few hours but I don't think that can be thought of as the probable case these days.  Seems now they are becoming more prevalent despite our advancements in technology, standards of living and modern expectations.

As such it seems we can't be as complacent as we used to be. Maybe now it is wise for EVERY home to have a generator, A reserve supply of fuel for the generator and Vehicles as well as maybe a weeks food and water.
Seeing what has happened in commifornia shows how fragile society has become.  Basically EVERYTHING  grinds to a stop without power.
Too late to try and get a generator or fuel or food once the problem has begun, You have to be prepared before.
I don't believe the security in power supply that was taken for granted now can be done so in a lot of places now in the first world. 

When " The greatest country in the world" ( supposedly) Can't provide power to around 2 million people, the majority in city/ Suburban areas for what is estimated to be a week or the better part of it, perhaps ordinary people need to be a bit more short term self reliant?

Mrs always keeps a pretty good supply of food in the place so I think my home is covered there. The weakness I can see is pet food which we go through a lot of  and often run down to a day or 2's supply.  I think I'll get in a weeks worth of that and just put it in a Cupboard up the back and rotate it say every 3 months.
I have a water tank which I do tend to keep pretty full and this seems to be a wise practice even if I did think myself  till now, an overly pedantic one.  I have generators but I think I will certainly up the amount of fuel I keep on hand from 20l of each to 100.  Or maybe a bit more for petrol for the vehicles.

 I think I might also have a re think about my solar configuration and set up a couple of KW of panels for a battery/ off grid application.
If I can run the fridge freezer from solar through the day, they will be cold enough to survive the night. I might also look at another freezer for ice, not for my previous home cooling idea but for refrigeration purposes in case I do need to keep things cold for a while with ice and to store more frozen foods.
The other thing where solar would be very handy is for my sewer system. It needs an air pump  fairly critically even more than a water pump.
The water pump isn't a big deal, I can either supply  power for about 10 Min to let it pump out or pump it out with a petrol pump. It has a good 3 days reserve capacity before it needs pumping.  What it does need  for long periods is the air pump running so being able to power that from solar would be a very big asset.

I think the prepping ideal to survive for months or years is ridiculous but being able to cope for a week may need to be something that a lot of people whom would never have given it a second thought before now should be making provision for.
I have concerns about our power supply over summer here and although I'm pretty well prepared just by my interest's and proclivities with no real concern for preparedness, I think it's time do do a few little things to fill in some of the gaps should something happen here and we are without power for a week.

I can only be seen as being over the top till the first time the power goes out for more than 24 hours.
 



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Re: California power outages......anyone running on Lister-roid power?
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2019, 04:03:51 PM »
PG&E was so busy handing out large dividends to shareholders ($4.5B) and huge paychecks to executives, it didn't have the money to trim trees and maintain the power lines.  They've got a million miles of lines which need complete replacement, lines, poles, transformers.  Now they have filed for bankruptcy.  American's are suckers for the "glories of the free market" swan song, and then act outraged when corporations act to maximize this years profits for shareholders.

Anyone with disposable income in California should be planning on pulling the plug on the power co.s, because the rates are about to go up, up up.  AZ power rates are rising fast as CA is buying power from AZ companies.  AZ couldn't stop them because of federal interstate commerce laws.

I sure like being off the grid with Listeroid backup/boost power.


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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2019, 03:30:59 AM »
And then there is this rosy gem of an article

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/11/the-lights-went-out-in-california-that-was-the-plan-all-along/

Guest opinion by Chuck Devore

The power has been out in Northern California. More than 1 million Californians were without electricity, one of modern life’s essentials that is frequently taken for granted. The blackout was done on purpose—to prevent sparks from powerlines that could ignite deadly wildfires.

On the surface, the blackout and its causes are simple to understand. But the deeper causes are complicated, span decades of public policy, and dozens of overlapping unintended—and intended—consequences of decisions, both related and unrelated.......

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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2019, 03:35:26 AM »

Well, if they gave Tesla more respect, we'd all be enjoying wireless electricity these days.
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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2019, 03:43:13 AM »
The author is very likely a Koch brothers & Co. propagandist. Whenever I see someone working for a bogus (Texas) foundation (so called right wing "think tanks") and text blaming environmental restrictions I smell Texas oil money in the air.

It is a popular ploy by such writers to blame politicians and environmental restrictions for actions that are clearly as simple as greed and profit motivations.  They didn't trim trees along their easements, and they didn't have a reasonable schedule to update line equipment until it explodes in a shower of sparks.  It's that simple.  We have the same problem in rural AZ. 

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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2019, 07:16:12 AM »

We are on a similar path here in oz.
Our power grid was handed over to private enterprise some years ago supposedly to lower prices through increased competition.  There are now well over 50 retailers. They are all playing the system and power prices have shot up exponentially to inflation and other costs of living.

They are pulling $2.7 Bn net profit out of the people last financial year but there are endless signs the whole system is not keeping up with required maintence and infrastructure.  For some inexplicable reason, they still get hundreds of millions in handouts from the gubbermint  for things they bleat they can't afford to do despite the profits they pay to directors and shareholders.

 Many people in the know predict they are going to run the system into the ground in the next 5-10 years then the gubbermint and the taxpayer will be forced to spend many more billions to get the grid back up to scratch again. In between that collapse either financially or of the grid system itself, There will be a lot of similar situations to commifornia and billions more lost in productivity, waste and loss of Jobs.

Big Biz is so corrupt these days it's incredible but they have already conditioned people to just expect it and so they get away with it easily.

If you think a utility is badly run by the gubbermint, just hand it over to private enterprise , wait a couple of years and then see a monumental cock-up of proportions you could not previously have imagined.


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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2019, 11:32:14 AM »
Welcome back Glort.
We have way too many outages here and they always claim it is for maintenance and the last one definately was as they went the length of the street putting up new poles.
For a village supposedly on the grid I had to buy a gen set to keep power on for the fridge and seperate freeezer.
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2019, 03:54:03 PM »
I wonder if the power co.s will abandon rural residential and small farm service altogether in time, just as phone land lines are being abandoned now.

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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2019, 05:48:37 PM »
Hey!  Enough of this bad mouthing the utility form of capitalism.  Growth almost always means pain.  Or does pain almost always mean growth?

I, too, am a bit burned out on the capitalistic model.  Too many victims and not enough winners.  I was in a classroom one day complaining about the profit margin of the local electric company and a couple of people recommended I invest in the corporation and take advantage of myself.  I still don't have a solid answer to their recommendation.  But I am grinning.

Of course if only the people of California had the ball diameter of those found in the Oz they would be just fine.

How big of battery pack would a household need to back up a generator to start a 1/2 hp well pump?  I'm assuming the light duty big box generators would be able to sustain them once they're up and humming.

I simply believe that solar panels on most every house and building would solve a lot of problems.
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