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Re: California power outages......anyone running on Lister-roid power?
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2019, 05:35:05 AM »

I dont know if you are not feeling well Bruce or being patroitically defensive but no one is whining at all.... other than a lot of Californians with good reason to be annoyed.  Sorry if what i have said annoys you  but I have made valid observations.  By extrapolation,you are inferring that if i was from commifornia my comments would be valid . I don't  believe anything said here warrants accusing people of whingeing and your indignation is quite out of place.

Having a million  ? people without power in any first world country IS a talking point for observation and criticism both of which are valid and does not make them whinging whether such comments are in line with your position or not.

My friend in cali emailed me this morning lamenting the cost to his business this power outage caused. If one has to be a resident to comment about the situation, ill send you some of his whinging and you can see if you think he is qualified to comment or not.

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« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2019, 07:10:49 AM »
I wish I had water from a well.  I drilled 2 holes, both over 200 feet deep, where the water witch said to drill.  Nothing but rock dust and a fat bill from the drilling company.

So I built a pond to collect rain water, and the the darn thing is full of iron.  Dissolved iron is getting into the water and plugs up $200 filters in 2 weeks.

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« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2019, 08:09:52 AM »
"If the crazy ideals of Commifornians weren't a laughing stock the world over, they would be a lot better off.
Mate of mine that lives there can't stand the place and won't be able to get out fast enough. Right now he has a sick mother to take care of but when that's no longer an issue, he's very keen to start the rest of his life in a place he deems sane."

Seems like incredibly rude, rabid right wing whinging to me, if not just plain nuts.

I lived in S. Cal a year in the mountains, and spent time in the SF area many times on vacations. An ex is from near the Oregon border.  My best friend lives there (SF area) , making a bundle at Oracle after his startup got bought.  I can't afford to live there due to disability but it's a gorgeous state, semi-rational government most of the time, which is about all you can hope for with humans.  California alone is the 5th largest economy in the world, now ahead of the entire UK and much of it is gorgeous with an enviable climate.   The state is solvent and stable.  It's done amazing things in improving the air and water quality. It's population is hugely diverse, ethnically, to me a big plus.  I only wish I could afford to live there.  I certainly like California's ideals better than yours, Glort.














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« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2019, 09:49:57 AM »
Seems like incredibly rude, rabid right wing whinging to me, if not just plain nuts.

Seems to me you are now whinging about those you accuse of whinging because they don't share your views.


Whatever one wants to believe, The fact a state has had a blackout affecting a reported Million people, has serious issues and that's a fact.

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« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2019, 09:53:49 AM »
Dissolved iron is getting into the water and plugs up $200 filters in 2 weeks.

That's some powerful expensive water!
Would it be cheaper to have better water brought in?

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« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2019, 01:21:06 PM »
You could try letting it run into an open tank and depending on the dissolved minerals it may oxidise and sink to the bottom.

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« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2019, 01:58:56 PM »
I wish I had water from a well.  I drilled 2 holes, both over 200 feet deep, where the water witch said to drill.  Nothing but rock dust and a fat bill from the drilling company.

So I built a pond to collect rain water, and the the darn thing is full of iron.  Dissolved iron is getting into the water and plugs up $200 filters in 2 weeks.

Ouch. Aren't you in Northern California? Were there any obstacles to building your catchment pond as far as local government or regulation? Depending on the type of iron around here they would use a softener to remove the iron or oxidize and filter.

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« Reply #37 on: October 16, 2019, 02:49:30 PM »

I'd prefer if we just called a big Whoa! on the breeding and growth, growth, growth.  7 billion is way more than enough.

Totally agree BruceM. The ultimate issue is population.
Which leads to ... over fishing, over farming, over mining, ... over ....over ....over.
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« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2019, 05:20:18 PM »
What I object to is the rabid attack on California as "communist" and a laughingstock of the world.  I suspect about half the world would be glad to be living in CA, which is part of why their population growth is so high, and thus the severe problem of cost of housing. Many people also move there for better tolerance, of race, religion and sexual orientation, which I find admirable and sure hasn't hurt their economy, strongest in the US, 5th in the whole world.  Racist's and homophobic folks hate this and the legal protections offered by CA.  This is often the hidden reason why CA is attacked.
 
It has nothing to do with the topic of PG&E mismanagement and power outage.  It's just hatred.

 




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« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2019, 06:18:25 PM »
Nice rants.  In the nicest of meanings.

Too many people.  Yup.  I'm betting on a big sickness or incredible war over rational thinking as a resolution.  Or a combination?  Too bad corporate capitalism can't figure out how to make an acceptable living without counting on an infinitely growing market.  The down side of a life solution based on greed.

OK.  I'm a capitalist.  I don't have a corporate avatar.  Just cheese sandwich me and the corporate monsters.  I've adjusted my lifestyle to fit my market income.  Don't let it get around as i don't want to be harassed as all socialist democratic thinkers must be.  Keep America Great Always!  Is that the new chant now that we've had such great leadership?  The greatest leadership you've ever seen.  Some of you may doubt how great it's been but trust me, he who knows, the one, it's been the greatest ever.

The good news is that as people make more money their child count goes down dramatically.  Now if only we had an infinite world.
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« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2019, 10:33:53 PM »
What I object to is the rabid attack on California as "communist" and a laughingstock of the world.

No, What you are really objecting to is someone having a different outlook to your own and making up assertions to justify it.
It is not "hatred" as you embellish and sensationalise it at all, it's just a different viewpoint to your own which these days is deemed to be offensive to a lot of people hell bent on having their way of thinking considered to be the ONLY way of thinking anyone should have.

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« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2019, 11:10:49 PM »

Too many people.  Yup.  I'm betting on a big sickness or incredible war over rational thinking as a resolution.  Or a combination?  Too bad corporate capitalism can't figure out how to make an acceptable living without counting on an infinitely growing market.  The down side of a life solution based on greed.


The good news is that as people make more money their child count goes down dramatically.  Now it only we had an infinite world.

Research also shows that as people have better living standards they become more environmentally concerned and they pay more attention to their surroundings and want to keep them cleaner. I agree totaly in that the ideal is to maintain living standard without the endless growth which should not really be that hard.

The never ending growth model is something pushed very hard in corporate business. Unless one has seen it first hand I doubt a lot of people would realise the pressure placed on their employees with that. Budgets are raised endlessly and they are expected to be met for no other reason than growth.

Anyone not fixated on profits can see there has to be an end and a breaking point.  Instead of those in the green environmental movement carrying on about a problem for which there is no practical, realistic and workable solution's to, they would be far better off addressing problems like over population, plastic in the oceans and other things rather than the whole globull warming ideal which really is taking attention away from problems that do have a possibility to be fixed and help the planet in doing so.

There are 3 main risks I see in the world today and the endless population growth is top of the list because pretty much everything else stems from and is multiplied by that.

One problem we are seeing here with power supply is exactly that. They are throwing up homes ( and prison cells called units) fast as they can and of course wanting to stuff them full of every useless consumer good possible and 3 TV's as large as windows or doors. Insulation standards are basic but we can sell you AC for that.  The problem is now becoming that the demand of a lot of homes is becoming more than the stretched resources of the power companies will allow.  They are limiting the amperage allocation of homes because they firstly dont want to invest in the infrastructure to allow the higher traditional amperage connections and secondly, with all the latest leftist thinking going hell bent into unreliable, there isn't the power available  in the first place.

To me it is an absoloute corporate and environmental crime that solar and wind farms are allowed to be built more often than not hundreds of miles from where the power is needed yet right in the middle of suburbia and citys, there are virtually unlimited rooftops that sit there bare just begging to be utilised with some panels that would make not one bit of difference to the landscape or ruin the outlook as these " farms" do.

I hit a new generation record the other day from my own solar setup of 82 KWh in a day. I expect once I get the rest of my panels up and add another 5 Kw inverter I'll do better still. Can't do much more because I just upgraded the wiring on my side and now the weak point is the power co's lines.

What I'm producing  means I'm probably providing enough power to cover my neighbour either sides power requirements as well as my own. I can run My big AC, be comfortable and still be contributing to our failing grid,  If everyone had panels then we could be also powering the shopping centres, hospitals, treatment works and businesses around and we could have reliable coal power at night and still have a fraction of the emissions that will never be met by farmed unreliables as well as a consistency of supply.  But the greenwashed aren't happy with helpful soloutions, it's all or nothing and they play right into the hands of the corporate whom they don't get are at complete odds to their agendas no matter what lip service they pay to appease them.

Even a bit of self sufficiency from Evey home where practical would greatly ease the problems that many places now have with power supply.

The whole reason this isn't and will never be implemented is simply corprate greed. They don't want you to have your own power and reduce your need and them and their profits. If they build these farms they an get massive handouts from gubbermint and sell you the power as well.... after trashing the landscape with turdbines and panels and then hundreds of miles of transmission lines.

The greenwashed champion this sort of stupidity but completely miss the opportunity and the detriment to the environment that this BS is responsible for.

Right now those going mad trying to save the planet are largely responsible for defacing it and ruining natural landscapes but they are too brainwashed and fixated on an ideal to see the bigger picture. 

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« Reply #42 on: October 17, 2019, 01:21:17 AM »
No, Glort. Using snide names for California and calling it a laughingstock of the world as a non-American isn't an "opinion" of any value to anyone. An opinion would be expressing how you think various policies have adversely affected power management.  You're just rationalizing your spleen venting, and trying to feel better about yourself by tearing down others.  That's your specialty, and it's why you are on this unmoderated forum. 

I think 38AC was right about the need for moderation.  It's not the same for me here without him. The education in following his projects was priceless.













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« Reply #43 on: October 17, 2019, 06:24:03 AM »
No, Glort. Using snide names for California and calling it a laughingstock of the world

I didn't come up with the name Bruce, it's widespread term ESPECIALLY among other residents, including my mate who LIVES there.


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as a non-American isn't an "opinion" of any value to anyone.

If I get my friend from Cali to tell you what he has told me, that would be different or would he still be wrong in your opinion?
The irony of saying my opinion is of no value because I'm not American is horribly hypocritical and in fact racist. You whinge and accuse others of this but perhaps you should check your own comments are not as offensive as you protest those of others being. 

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An opinion would be expressing how you think various policies have adversely affected power management.

You ignored a lot of what I said to that end and just want to whinge about one small part you don't like.

I have no idea why you are making so much of some off handed general comments and in return have made it a personal witch hunt.  I insulted no one in particular or personally but you like others here seem very over sensitive to any opinion other than your own.

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You're just rationalizing your spleen venting, and trying to feel better about yourself by tearing down others.  That's your specialty, and it's why you are on this unmoderated forum. 
I think 38AC was right about the need for moderation.  It's not the same for me here without him. The education in following his projects was priceless.

As far as venting and trying to make myself feel better, I'm not the one making a big drama out of some non personal off hand comments and then making the self same remarks I complain about being offended by. YOU are the one getting personal and upset over something that's not even something you have a personal stake in.

There is a LOT you don't know about me or what I have been through in life.  If you think repeating a few widespread terms and opinions here is going to make me feel better, I really wish you were right.  Unfortunately for me, you are not.

The sister site to this had the same sort of overly pedantic moderation as you are proposing and that didn't exactly work well for the sites growth.

I don't know why my comments seem to upset some people but it appears often they are just looking for something to be upset about.
I'm not going to tippy toe around to suit others delicate sensibilities when I have no problem with what I say in normal social situations. This PC mentality is ridiculous and I won't further it and pander to those that perpetuate such a mentality. 

We are all grown men here, I think we should act like it rather than getting upset at every little irrelevant comment.




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« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2019, 06:40:21 AM »

Well, you guys aren't exactly slinging acid, but you sure know how to Fart in each others general direction.

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