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broncodriver99

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Re: New Listeroids for sale
« Reply #45 on: August 29, 2019, 08:14:10 AM »
Actually, Mr Bolton, there's a bunch of folks here who wish you well; who would be pleased to see a quality entrant into the market if you manage that; and who will watch your progress with an open mind & with genuine interest

X2 I hope you can make a go at it. Others have tried and failed and others have tried and just build in enough profit to cover the cost of failures. I do believe you will be fighting an uphill battle though, and I do believe that a 50K hour engine is pretty far fetched considering the original Brit iron couldn't do it, but if you can nail down a quality product with quality parts availability that will only help everyone else still in this game. I opted to go the Genuine Lister route, but a source of guaranteed quality parts wouldn't be a bad thing.

Just FYI, the max life expectancy of Original Dursley engines was about 25k hours before MAJOR overhauls as documented in several pieces of correspondence between the factory or dealers and end users/perspective buyers. Scans of the original correspondence is available somewhere on this forum. If that is what Lister could accomplish at the height of their manufacturing capabilities you can bet Rajkot can't hold a candle to it.

As I said before I hope you can make it happen, but the warnings, although some paragraphs long, should be accepted and respected. There is no way you will best Dursley and it's world class production of the original engines in Rajkot. I would imagine that with good QC and oversight you could produce an engine in Rajkot that would last 10-15k hours though.
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« Reply #46 on: August 29, 2019, 09:48:16 AM »

Although one might think so on a Word Count basis, Mr Glort doesn't represent any sort of majority view here - just himself

Really Mike?
Then perhaps you could point out with detail and precision, anyone that HAS disagreed with what I have said and think these engines will be better than any other and have a chance in hell of doing 50K hours?
Unless you can see something I can't, I'd say I certainly represent the majority but please back up your allegations and show me where more people or anyone for that matter, have disagreed with what I have said that been of the same opinion.

You are always real keen to have a go and take the piss out of anything I say, usually with the support of your sidekick, now back it up or shut up.

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« Reply #47 on: August 29, 2019, 10:03:40 AM »
To be fair  there's merit in both sides of this argument, a lot of experience on here verses an attempt to move the Listeroids on to, or even surpass, a level the Dursley machines achieved 75 years back,

It's easy to criticise, either the intentions of Mr Bolton, or the nay sayers.

Personally I wish Mr Bolton well and hope he posts his results, good or bad, for the benefit of all.

After all, he's either going to be right or wrong and the rest of us can only benefit from his efforts.

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« Reply #48 on: August 29, 2019, 11:51:28 AM »

Thank you for explaining that again to those of us that missed it the first time.

I now understand the reason you think your engines will last 50K hours and be superior not having the problems other people encountered with these engines and manufacturers is because you told the smart Indian Business men that if they sold you good engines, you'd buy more.

I'm sure that promise of future orders of what?  5-10 machines at a time,  changed the outlook of every worker in the factory and inspired them to all take a level of pride and care in assembling these engines like they have never done or even know how to do, like ever before.  No doubt the managers and owners of the plants will also be encouraging their workers to slow down and take their time to ensure every one of the engines they build for you prioritises quality over the usual Quantity targets they push for. 

If there is one thing your comments have proven far beyond a shadow of a doubt in my mind, it's the Vindication of Bruce's statement that you haven't got a clue about the quality issues of these engines nor done a thing to address them.



How many 3rd world factories have you been too?? I've been to 5.. How many export managers have you had dinner with and discussed how they could meet their quotas? At least 5 for me. How many containers of equipment have you imported? No idea for me, lost count. It's very simple. I'm going to use an approach that has worked well in the past and give it a whirl. So far nothing to indicate that it won't produce a viable product as it has in the past. I have an open mind, do you?

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« Reply #49 on: August 29, 2019, 02:26:55 PM »

Good luck with you project. I am sure that an enhanced quality Listeroid engine will have lots of buyers since there has been a shortage in the USA for several years now. Please keep us informed of your progress.
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« Reply #50 on: August 29, 2019, 03:54:56 PM »
I'm with Dieselspanner and Veggie.

Mr. Bolton give it a shot and please keep us informed; we will benefit either way, and you will benefit if it goes as you expect it to.

FWIW, a few years ago I used some of my retirement fund and took a chance and purchased 3 6/1 and 3 8/1 clones as well as several thousand dollars worth of parts for Listers and Petters from India.
It was a venture that I had pondered for quite some time, and I realized that the only way I would know for sure whether I could successfully import my own engines and parts would be to try.
Purchasing engines from the US vendors was out of the question as in addition to the usual fees that we hear about, I would then have to export them from the US and ship and import them here into the Cayman Islands. Was I successful? Yes. Did I learn something? Yes.

My point is Mr. Bolton wants to do something, he has been warned but he maintains his position, he will either succeed or fail and it will cost us nothing either way so lets watch and see what happens.

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« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2019, 03:27:41 PM »
I have a few genuine Lister CS's for sale I brought back from the UK. Various states of repair I and pricing structures. My posting/threads are on the board.

I have no intention of hijacking this thread and wanted to say as a small businessman and entrepreneur I wholly support Graham at Bolton in his endeavors!

It must be noted that Gary at DES has been top notch as many of us know.

Finally, I also wanted to note I have no humane ideas for dealing with a problem like glort...

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« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2019, 09:47:50 PM »
I have a few genuine Lister CS's for sale I brought back from the UK. Various states of repair I and pricing structures. My posting/threads are on the board.

I have no intention of hijacking this thread and wanted to say as a small businessman and entrepreneur I wholly support Graham at Bolton in his endeavors!

It must be noted that Gary at DES has been top notch as many of us know.

Finally, I also wanted to note I have no humane ideas for dealing with a problem like glort...

Watch a little Australian TV and you will appreciate why Glort is out in his shed so much. Tinkering, fettling and thinking
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« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2019, 11:46:48 PM »
Finally, I also wanted to note I have no humane ideas for dealing with a problem like glort...

Given I never get it in real life, I'd guarantee if we were standing face to face, like a few others here, you wouldn't have the near the balls to make the snide cheap shot personal comments either.   :laugh:

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« Reply #54 on: September 06, 2019, 03:16:42 PM »
Ha...Id wager you wouldn't be so windy with anyone face to face. Your keyboard protects your opinions well.

If I make that kangaroo hunt I'll look you up. It's be fun to properly relay some boundaries to you.

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« Reply #55 on: September 06, 2019, 04:13:37 PM »
Ha...Id wager you wouldn't be so windy with anyone face to face. Your keyboard protects your opinions well.

If I make that kangaroo hunt I'll look you up. It's be fun to properly relay some boundaries to you.

I'm trying not to laugh, really I am.  Unfortunately I'm not succeeding too well.

Maybe just for once, you could actually contribute something useful here instead of every post you occasionally make being just for your own benefit in trying to flog engines you have been trying to off load for at least 6 years.
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« Reply #56 on: September 06, 2019, 04:29:48 PM »
Really? Fisticuffs? We are mature men that like old engines not chavs. WTF is wrong with you threatening a bloke because you disagree with what he says? That's real freedom. I read many things I disagree with hear loads of nonsense in many places but so what? If you don't like an author or journalist don't read his books or articles why come on here and set out to be offended and offensive?
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« Reply #57 on: September 06, 2019, 07:24:29 PM »
Chaps, let's agree to let sleeping dogs lie on this one, eh, before I get a moderation request and actually have to do something about it...

Thanks.
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« Reply #58 on: September 06, 2019, 07:41:56 PM »
Chaps, let's agree to let sleeping dogs lie on this one, eh, before I get a moderation request and actually have to do something about it...

Thanks.
Apologies Ade!
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« Reply #59 on: September 07, 2019, 02:38:47 AM »
Hi AdeV

I think you let yourself sleep, and now you're waking up grumpy.

The children grew up uneducated, and now you want to kick them?

Around here is a saying: "dogs bark and caravan goes by"

You don't happen to have the LR1 manual out there, do you? if you have, send it to me in PDF, with the thanks in advance.

Always considering you.
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