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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2019, 05:43:29 PM »
Is this the Brexit thread.  I thought I read that one.

True democracy is on the way.  That'll just might be the circus to end all circuses.

True democracy is where everything is voted on by all of the people.  Perhaps we'll put our cell device next to the chip in our breast and run through the votes of the day making our choices known. 

At any rate, representative government is getting a real thrashing in our opinion poles.  When you've got a better idea the world is waiting for your insight.
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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2019, 09:35:50 PM »
As Winston Churchill is reputed to have said,

 'Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others'

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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2019, 08:03:27 AM »
I was listening today to a report on the radio about a machine that scrubs CO2 out of air - works well, is reliable, can be scaled up easily,  is fairly cheap to run and its by-product is a carbon-based liquid fuel ideal for internal combustion engines.  See?  I KNEW tech would rescue us!   AND it makes petrol for us to keep burning.  Win-win

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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2019, 04:43:04 PM »
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I'll bet $1000 we'll never see such a machine.

I'm always nervous when I agree with glort.

Are the plans for this contraption in the same cabinet as the clean coal plant? 
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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2019, 09:57:34 PM »
I heard one of the engineers from the Canadian company doing this work speaking on Radio New Zealand yesterday "it must be true"

He said the machinery was 'working now", "very scaleable", "relatively inexpensive", and produced nothing but "a carbon fuel in a ready-to-use state suitable for automotive use"

Check out the news story:

https://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/science_and_environment

And check out the company:

https://carbonengineering.com/

And check out the CO2-fuel process:

https://carbonengineering.com/about-a2f/

Can I please have my $1000 in NZ dollars? 

(It's very easy to be a "knocker" or a "sceptic" but every now and then IMHO one actually has to have a look at things before deriding them as "greenwash" or dismissing it with " never be allowed by gubbermints in case they loose tax revenue or it disturbs the green hell bent Electric car mandate"

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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2019, 04:54:32 PM »
I though I read some pie in the sky as well.  But money distracts from the mission.  Let's hope for the best for this company.  I hope my broker isn't holding his breath for the commission on this transaction from me.
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« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2019, 06:22:04 AM »
According to the company site, the equivalent of 250,000 cars worth of CO per unit per year.
The energy cost of running it could be substantial as well.

This kind of stuff will likely be used to justify doing nothing.

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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2019, 08:54:40 AM »
Sorry Glort, I don't want to spend 20 mins of my life I'll never get back reading your magnum opus

That aside, I think that - sooner or later - governments will, kicking & screaming, be dragged into realising that this Climate Shit is serious

THEN, I suspect, the planet's industries & economies will be put on a War Footing, governments will realise that $$ is just a number, and some large-scale shit will get done . . .

Perhaps this Carbon-Eating machine will be one?

The question, IMHO, is how bad/irretrievable will it get before something is done

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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2019, 09:55:55 AM »
Planet earth has always had a very efficient system for dealing with global warming and reducing atmospheric CO2, they are called trees! They absorb CO2 and give out oxygen for us to breath.

The problem is that we are cutting down all the trees to build houses and make way for agriculture to feed an ever growing human population. So what are we going to do about it? Is anyone going to vote for a political party that advocates for less children, more warfare, less medicine, starvation and compulsory euthanasia? I doubt it. So, what we can`t agree on mother nature will deal with on her own.

I would urge every member on this site to plant a couple of trees, I would also urge them to prepare for a very turbulent time ahead as the peoples in drought stricken areas migrate to cooler climates bringing with them famine, disease, civil unrest and warfare.

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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2019, 02:01:46 PM »
Glort, glort, glort.

How many lines of code does it take to get you to bla, bla, bla........  See, it's just not me.

The oceans play a big role in carbon maintenance as well.  It's called algae.  You know, the stuff from whence most crude oil comes (at least it doesn't end with a preposition).  I suspect the planet's solution to some sort of stabilization is to chase the humanoid life forms off of it.  For all you other mammals - oops. 

I'm afraid I agree with the idea that my hill folk ancestors voiced in the old saying that they did have enough chairs but that they just had too many visitors has become true for the entire planet.  Population management is going to become more widely seen as the answer as the trees and algae disappear.  The paradox:  A diminishing population building an increasing political majority. 
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« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2019, 05:46:43 PM »
"our kids are already screwed. "  That's what the world's climate scientists have been screaming for a long time.  Alas, Dunning -Kruger effect lets every idiot think his opinion is valid and well informed.  Thus democracy is the orchestra on the deck of the Titanic, even with corporate corruption removed.


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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2019, 01:23:25 AM »
"globull warming"  tags the writing as something not worth reading in my book. 
That sort of bologna was cooled up by the Koch brothers and other large petro corps as part of their disinformation campaigns.  Only a Koch puppet would use it.

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« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2019, 05:31:32 AM »
Glort, glort, glort.

How many lines of code does it take to get you to bla, bla, bla........  See, it's just not me.

The oceans play a big role in carbon maintenance as well.  It's called algae.  You know, the stuff from whence most crude oil comes (at least it doesn't end with a preposition).  I suspect the planet's solution to some sort of stabilization is to chase the humanoid life forms off of it.  For all you other mammals - oops. 

I'm afraid I agree with the idea that my hill folk ancestors voiced in the old saying that they did have enough chairs but that they just had too many visitors has become true for the entire planet.  Population management is going to become more widely seen as the answer as the trees and algae disappear.  The paradox:  A diminishing population building an increasing political majority.

Casey, I'm not sure this particular part of your audience here would recognise a preposition if it was swimming in his soup . . .

One of the dubious things social media has given us is the ability to surround oneself with like-minded folk who will reinforce your position until opinion begins to feel like fact.  At which point - irrelevancies/facts/detail having been shunted aside - it is easy to simply be scornful of any view which doesn't align with yours

Following the massacre in Christchurch last month our government has seen itself as being on something of a "war footing" and has rammed through - a la Port Arthur - legislation which will ban almost all semi-automatic rifles; be they in legitimate use or not.  Because of the universal condemnation of the (sadly, Australian) gunman's actions, the government was able to find almost unanimous support for legislation it had been wanting to pass for several decades

If there were to be universal recognition re global warming that things were, indeed, bloody urgent - then governments around the globe might be able to pass legislation to make real change as opposed to a light green-washing (in a manner similar to that adopted by our government re semi-autos) because they would have a "mandate" to do so

Failing that . . .

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« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2019, 11:51:26 AM »
Hi Glort, I`m afraid that we are going exactly down the route of pissing money up the wall. We have an upcoming federal election between the capitalist Liberal Party and the socialist Labour Party. The socialists are arguing for electric vehicle, while the capitalists are for fossil fuels.

I believe the socialists will win this election due to the back stabbing and in fighting that has occurred in the Liberal Party. So, after four years of the Liberals bringing the budget and national debt back under control, we will once again have a socialist government with a healthy looking national credit card they can use to shove their views down our throats.

The incoming Labour Government will implement legislation in favor of EV`s and outlawing ICE`s, this will be fine for city dwellers but have catastrophic effects on those of us who live in the bush. The bush will be filled with solar generation facilities, battery storage facilities and new power lines to keep the overpaid and unproductive city dwellers comfortable. Those of us who are lucky enough to live in unpolluted pristine countryside will be expected to put up with the outfall from electricity generation plants and clean up the mess left by solar/battery banks discarded by businesses that will quickly fail once the Labour government subsidies are removed after the next but one election.

My advice is to live as remotely as possible, build walls/fences around your property and buy a gun, I no longer trust any of these politicians to look after my best interests, they are all too busy looking after their own interests and pork barreling to get votes. The alternative is to jump on the band wagon and screw the f*cked up system for all you can get out of it in the next four years, take every government subsidy you can get,  bank it and then stick two fingers up at the next election.

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Re: Earth Hour
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2019, 02:27:37 PM »
Hey Glort, I am with you completely that the current mob of politicians are a waste of rations. Please don`t give up on trying to educate them. You are one of the last sensible voices on all the forums I visit. Do it for your children, at least on your death bed you will be able to say "I told you so"

Bob