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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #330 on: June 14, 2021, 06:28:34 AM »
The link to the video - looks to be a  facebook video, I don't see any resource pointing to "Stationary Engine Enthusiast"

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Project aside Lister 12/2 - Dynastater disaster striked
« Reply #331 on: July 24, 2021, 10:15:25 PM »
Hi Gentles

Remember I had a restoration aside Lister 12/2 - a Penta 6A, 1971? And the dynastarter was refurbished? (see here: https://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=8320.msg104124#msg104124)

After put it on the engine, all working good, dynastarter firing the engine nicely... after tuning idle rpm, and max rpm, it never started again with the dynastarter.

Tried another battery to see if the issue was from there.... and nothing. Thamn, maybe the dyna have some issue, I think.

All disassembled and... thamn, dynastarter is busted. Worst, rotor had windings destroid. Thamn!

Lesson learned: a few meters of nylon twine in the front copper coils had prevent the disaster. (Think was the full throttle that put centrifugal force in coils, and they just open to the side, and destroy all thing)

A few pics to show the disaster...
« Last Edit: July 24, 2021, 10:40:43 PM by sirpedrosa »
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!
Deutz MAH 914, 1952 - Wating for the Zündfix to fire up.

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Project aside Lister 12/2 - Dynastater disaster striked - more pics
« Reply #332 on: July 24, 2021, 10:18:19 PM »
And now I have to rebuild it all! All windings.

Take all coils from rotor, search for new ones (or someone who make them), counting turns, make a jig to wind new ones, etc, etc

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« Last Edit: July 24, 2021, 10:21:52 PM by sirpedrosa »
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!
Deutz MAH 914, 1952 - Wating for the Zündfix to fire up.

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #333 on: August 05, 2021, 03:21:03 PM »
Hi Gentles

Looking around I find a shop that can make hairpin coils, but.... (allways a but) they dont have 3*1mm flat copper wire, they need at least one old hairpin sample (all busted now!) to make the jig... and if (onother thamn word) I find correct copper wire they will charge... 125€+vat for labour.

In other hand found this retailer in Germany (https://www.simon-auto-shop.de/epages/Simon-Auto-Anlasser-Lichtmaschinen.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/Simon-Auto-Anlasser-Lichtmaschinen/Products/AN9098), with new armature, and costs 59,5€+P&P. So Im gone order a new one!

And found at same retailer voltage regulator (https://www.simon-auto-shop.de/epages/Simon-Auto-Anlasser-Lichtmaschinen.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/Simon-Auto-Anlasser-Lichtmaschinen/Products/RE1065N).

Will see how to manage it.

Cheers
VP
« Last Edit: August 05, 2021, 03:23:08 PM by sirpedrosa »
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!
Deutz MAH 914, 1952 - Wating for the Zündfix to fire up.

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #334 on: August 05, 2021, 08:41:29 PM »
you might try romaine electric in seattle, the may have a rebuild armature
or at the very least they can have yours rewound, or even provide you with coils.

they are great folks to work with, and they seem to come up with a part for all sorts of stuff from all
over the world.

phone number 425-264-1700 and they are located in kent washington
i know they work with folks form all over the world, and are a pleasure to work with.

also fwiw, a few years back they bought out a rewind shop in southern california, and the women they have doing the rewinds/coils are excellent and the prices are very good.

if you have  a serial number off the case, they can identify the unit and get you a price while you wait in 99% of cases.

did business with those folks for years, and i have never found another company to match their experience, service, or price.

fwiw
bob g
otherpower.com, microcogen.info, practicalmachinist.com
(useful forums), utterpower.com for all sorts of diy info

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #335 on: August 05, 2021, 11:21:38 PM »
Hi Bob

Thanks for your support, but...Im in the other side of Atlantic Ocean.

Customs here (and there too) has a tiny hole net to catch and tax from abroad stuff, and are 24/7 aiming to shot at anything that cross the ocean.

Take a look at the price my keystock arrived from USA (https://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=8320.msg102563#msg102563)

Postage is very expensive! labour is expensive.

Already ordered new rotor, and voltage regualtor.

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VP
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!
Deutz MAH 914, 1952 - Wating for the Zündfix to fire up.

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Project aside Lister 12/2 - Dynastater disaster - New armature, new bust
« Reply #336 on: August 14, 2021, 12:25:31 AM »
Hi Gentles

there's nothing wrong that can't get worse! (people sayings)

New armature arrived, and... Its only 60mm diameter (original 68mm), longer than original, and commutater thiner and less segments. THAMN!! (second disaster)

I think i'll have to send it to Pakistan to get fixed. (where craftmen, masters is the word, still exist)

DOUBLE DAMN!!

More money to south!

Cheers
VP

« Last Edit: August 14, 2021, 12:31:20 AM by sirpedrosa »
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!
Deutz MAH 914, 1952 - Wating for the Zündfix to fire up.

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Resurrection of a Lister 12/2 - New Dyna after all
« Reply #337 on: September 03, 2021, 01:42:17 PM »
Hi Gentles

New Dyna after all, from Germany. Already in place, and old one wainting for better opportunity to be rebuild.

A pic to enthusiasts.

Cheers
VP
PS: Bought also a Voltage regulator, so can get juice from alternator and Dyna.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2021, 01:45:29 PM by sirpedrosa »
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!
Deutz MAH 914, 1952 - Wating for the Zündfix to fire up.

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Another pearl found - a 6/1
« Reply #338 on: September 25, 2021, 07:07:28 PM »
Hi Gentles

Im looking forward to be retired (just joking), but i'm expecting to have more time to dive deep in villages and found lost pearls like the one I found. Another 6/1 of olive oil plant.

The (ancient and wealthy years ago) state still has in front door a royal shield.

2 pics for enthusiasts.

Cheers,
VP
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!
Deutz MAH 914, 1952 - Wating for the Zündfix to fire up.

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Re: Another pearl found - a 6/1
« Reply #339 on: October 18, 2021, 11:03:06 PM »
Hi Gentles

Im looking forward to be retired (just joking), but i'm expecting to have more time to dive deep in villages and found lost pearls like the one I found. Another 6/1 of olive oil plant.

The (ancient and wealthy years ago) estate still has in front door a royal shield.

2 pics for enthusiasts.

Cheers,
VP

wrong key pressed...
« Last Edit: October 18, 2021, 11:04:56 PM by sirpedrosa »
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!
Deutz MAH 914, 1952 - Wating for the Zündfix to fire up.

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THE LISTER CD RETURN TO BE ADVERTISED... AGAIN
« Reply #340 on: February 01, 2022, 10:02:19 PM »
Hi Gentles

Remember the Lister CD that I lost a year ago? see here: https://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=8320.msg106687#msg106687

It is coming back again to ads site, and the woner call it Lister SD... and he says its running 100%, and only had put it a new injector.... last but not least is asking...

1500€, yes 1500€

And I say, keep dream!

A few pics for you to joy.

Cheers
VP
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!
Deutz MAH 914, 1952 - Wating for the Zündfix to fire up.

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DIGGING HISTORY IN MONUMENTS
« Reply #341 on: February 11, 2022, 10:15:32 PM »
Hi Gentles

For us (I mean all members... ok, some enthusiasts too) have itches and scratches eveytime we see some old rust, scale rust, all sort of rust. You all know what I mean!

A few days ago a I was told we (dont ask, dont tell) have a warehouse in an old fortress, where had been there a power plant in the old times.

The stand of the engine (see pic) was something not strange to my eyes, but mesures are out of my knowlege range.

Take a close look to give a help, because plate states CS engine (10/2 or 12/2) but my tape say it doesnt match to CS 10/2 fixing centres (56cm*38cm).

Here are a few pics to joy (stand, daily fuel tank, rusty plate and door key to fortress  ;D ;D ;D, and revealed plate) and give your thoughts. Please.

Is this a CS (10/2 ~ 12/2) 1951???

Stay safe.
Cheers
VP

Ps: I love that door key!!
« Last Edit: February 11, 2022, 11:08:13 PM by sirpedrosa »
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!
Deutz MAH 914, 1952 - Wating for the Zündfix to fire up.

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DIGGING HISTORY IN MONUMENTS - more digging
« Reply #342 on: February 11, 2022, 10:57:38 PM »
Gentles

surfing around I found this!

same model daily tank in a JP2.... hum now we are getting somewhere.

And the mounting holes.... look like those in previous pics. Who knows!!!!!


PS: Damn, serial number dont match with CS...
« Last Edit: February 11, 2022, 11:06:46 PM by sirpedrosa »
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!
Deutz MAH 914, 1952 - Wating for the Zündfix to fire up.

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DIGGING HISTORY IN MONUMENTS - wrong approach
« Reply #343 on: February 18, 2022, 01:41:27 AM »
Gentles

My very deep apologies, because my wrong approuch to engine stand.

removing more rust scale, I could found fixing centres that can lead to other approach. So, previous centres I think they are for alternator, and now I found 60*30cm holes.

Anyone can say if this centres are from a CS (10/2 - 12/2) or  JP engine?

2 pics for the rant.

cheers
VP
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!
Deutz MAH 914, 1952 - Wating for the Zündfix to fire up.

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PRESERVE HISTORY
« Reply #344 on: February 23, 2022, 08:06:56 PM »
Hi Gentles

If all has gone, at least the last link to history will be preserved.

And to do that a frame will do it nicely in my living room, or my office. Do you agree?

A pic to joy

Cheers
VP
« Last Edit: February 23, 2022, 08:08:40 PM by sirpedrosa »
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!
Deutz MAH 914, 1952 - Wating for the Zündfix to fire up.