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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2018, 08:53:21 AM »
Hi Pedrosa, if I had the money for a plane or helicopter I wouldn`t be messing about with rebuilding old engines to reduce my power bill.  :laugh:

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2018, 05:41:22 PM »
I can't remember when, but around 5 years back the EEC came up with the idea that every private citizen could use 2000 liters of WVO, WMO, biodiesel, or SVO without notifying the relevant authority, only one country refused to mandate it..........

France!

On the up side, provided your vehicle is up together and you haven't done something like rolling through a 'stop' sign or failing to leave cyclists 3 meters at the traffic lights, where the gendarmes an slap you with an on the spot 120 fine they'd rather carry on drinking coffee and sorting out the overtime sheets.

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Stef
Tighten 'til it strips, weld nut to chassis, peen stud, adjust with angle grinder.

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2018, 09:26:53 PM »
Hi everyone

DieselSpanner, please tell us what is bodering you most: that SOB gendarmes or the 120 fine? As we say, money is expensive and manytimes isn't available!

Of course rooling your car with roses or wathever other smelly flavor sorting by exhaust pipe, and escaping to the special fuel taxation, is the same that you can run but you can't hide.

Don't forget that a police officer is a job, and like all jobs there is good professionals and otheres not so.

I know you don't really mean it (I said before my job), but please tell us if you have the Bryce model NSDLA052D0359 injector manual.

That will be awesome.

Many thanks to you guys, for not letting me here talk to myself.

Cheers
Pedrosa
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2018, 10:09:24 PM »
Hi Sirpedrosa

Neither bothers me, after almost 14 years in the military I'm more than happy with the phrase 'Don't do the crime if you can't do the time'

And I didn't refer to the gendarmes as 'SOB's, either.

Most of the things that police forces (in the western world, anyway) do are more than necessary, however France wide, the traffic section, and those on motorcycles particularly, are seen as an extra fund raising arm for the system.

On an engineering note, I don't have the manual for the Bryce pump, but bear in mind that the Listers we know and love were made for reliable service in remote locations. The knock on from this is that they can be repaired / rebuilt with the minimum of tools and information. Provided you don't hit anything too hard with a hammer or use too long an extension on your spanners you'll be ok.

Should you make a mess of something, you'll not do it twice, it's what Ed Dee calls 'Paying your school fees'

Cheers
Stef

Tighten 'til it strips, weld nut to chassis, peen stud, adjust with angle grinder.

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2018, 10:22:01 PM »
Cheer up Stef

We are in the same boat.
And yes those guys on motorcyles are ordered to raise fund for system, not only in france...

BR
Pedrosa

PS: I really need that manual, and others to have the same view from the point of view of the manufacturer.
PS2: Todays the only remote location is just our mind, a far as we refuse to learn... or relearn again anything.

BR
Pedrosa
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2018, 12:25:05 AM »
Hi Guys, very interesting discussion about traffic cops being used to raise revenue. I have a mate who is an Australian traffic cop and tells me that they have a daily quota of fines they are expected to issue. once they have met that quota they get to go and eat doughnuts and drink coffee. Always best to get stopped by a cop at the end of his shift, he`s already met his quota and can`t be bothered with the paperwork!

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2018, 01:01:42 AM »
Hi Pedrosa, there is some injector and pup information available here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/injection/fuel1.htm

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2018, 01:33:08 AM »
Hi Pedrosa, there is some injector and pup information available here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/injection/fuel1.htm

Bob

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It's all ready scavanged.

BR
Pedrosa
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2018, 08:34:45 AM »
Hi Pedrosa just a couple of images that may assist you with your injector repairs. Hope yours look better than mine, which after dis assembly has been soaking in a sealed jar, filled with diesel, for the last twelve months.

Bob

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2018, 08:12:25 PM »
Hi everyone

Today I toke some time do separate the injector needle from nozzle. It was a bit stuked. Well soaked with that WD41 (acet+atf) and an hot air gun (150) and some precision muscle, it came out.

Next: clean everything thoroughly, and reassemble.

Have a nice time guys.
Pedrosa

PS: Bob, this one is the Bryce form Petter, the others from Lister still in place. Next days i'll bring them to clean too.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2019, 02:15:21 PM by sirpedrosa »
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2018, 10:15:09 AM »
Hi Pedrosa, do them one at a time and reassemble before doing the second one. While parts are theoretically interchangeable worn parts are not. Jeweller`s rough can be used sparingly to lap worn surfaces back to a sealing joint, provided you flush everything after. If you find corrosion this can be removed safely by using the burned end of a wooden kebab stick, it is mildly abrasive but won`t wear steel. Light it, blow it out and rub. repeat until clean. Once again flush everything before reassembly.

Bob

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2018, 01:50:19 PM »
Hi Bob

thank you for your always appreciated advice.

For each piece I have a box or tin for, as there are no exchanges of pieces.

By the send picture of that "burned end of a wooden kebab stick".

I made some research and I find that the rust can be removed with oxalic acid "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalic_acid".

What is your opinion?

cheers
Pedrosa
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2018, 11:20:16 PM »
Hi Pedrosa, I`ve not tried oxalic acid. If you are going to use it, try it first on something unimportant like an old rusty nut and bolt. Let us know how well it works. Keep it away from copper or brass components, some rust removers/cleaners will eat through copper very quickly. Caustic soda is one such cleaner.

Bob

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2018, 11:23:38 PM »
Greetings Everyone

Another sunday "promenade" to the shed visiting the 12/2, taking off injectors (wonderfull shape), join them to other stuff in the basket and bring all to the "cave" to start the derust "chemical and/or electrical" to see the best results.

Fingers crossed!

Good week to all.
BR
Pedrosa
« Last Edit: August 25, 2019, 02:16:21 PM by sirpedrosa »
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!

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Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2018, 02:30:53 PM »
Greetings Everyone

I need help, please. My body of 2 BKB injectors which has the very tight spring nut (4) and has no hexagonal shape to unscrew it, but only two notches for wrench, which can not unscrew them without damaging.

BR
Pedrosa
By order of firing up:
Bernard 18A - 1968 (mama's water pump - year of my birth)
Petter PAZ1 - Jun 1967, 3HP, sn 416xxxx
Petter PAZ1 - Nov 1979, 3HP, sn 425xxxx
Lister 12/2 - 12651227, the pearl!