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Andre Blanchard

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Oil filters
« on: July 28, 2006, 04:17:43 PM »
This looks interesting for getting used oil ready for use as fuel.  If it works as well a TP rolls it would be a lot less mess to deal with.
http://www.albion.com.gr/glacier.htm
And a review.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3165/is_n7_v31/ai_17370618

Looking at this picture it would not be impossible to make one.  I have not seen a price so it may be less expensive to just buy one.
http://www.albion.com.gr/how%20works.jpg
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Re: Oil filters
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2006, 06:47:28 PM »
My dad has an old Belarus tractor that has a centrifuge oil filter. He says it works great! The tractor runs good except for blowing head gaskets from time to time. I guess the Russians hate to waste a good roll of TP. ;)

Also my Honda 90 trail bike uses this type of filter too. It must not need a lot of maintenance since you have to dig way in to the engine to clean it.

These units do make a bit of noise though. Particularly after shutting down the engine you can hear them spin down for a bit. Also they won't remove moisture and acids like a TP filter will. I used to be a sales rep for Motorguard and know it is a great product (no connection with them now though).
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Re: Oil filters
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2006, 12:42:19 AM »
I have a commercial Alfa Laval "EMMIE" centrifugal filter. I use it to filter fuel and oil to be burned in the lister. It does a great job removing water. But it does not do as well on dirty oil even if it is well diluted with clean jet A. It is unable to remove soot from the oil. The mix comes out looking as dirty as it went in.

Rocketboy and I tried a 5 gallon pail of 50-50 oil/jet a. Even after an all day filtering session, the oil was still black as night. I suspect particulates that are not heavier than the oil are not removed at all.

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Re: Oil filters
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2006, 01:22:25 AM »
alfa lavals were commonly used on the boats, where water contamination was potentially a problem, I spent a couple of evening talking to one of their factory techs cos the technology was interesting, we have some very interesting technical conversations and I can't remember all the details exactly, but three things stood out.

1/ they separate substances of different specific gravity

2/ they don't work well on different viscosity

3/ they don't work on solutes or micro particle suspensions.

in other words it is s completely different technology from filtering or even reverse osmosis filtering, what is it is a low G force lab centrifuge, the "clever" bit being no spin up and reload, it works on a constant feed.

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Re: Oil filters
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2006, 11:48:50 AM »
FYI, I use the Alfa Laval centrifugal filter to put the contaminated fuel into the big storage tank. I then take the fuel out of the big storage tank with a small pump and a Motorguard TP style filter. I use the Motorguard elements with a published submicron filtering ability. Really the motorguard is an air filter. But it works well enough with diesel.

This process results in very clean fuel.

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Re: Oil filters
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2006, 08:27:33 AM »
Hi, Guys...

Been lurking for some time, I'd like to ask Chris about the small pump he uses with the Motorguarrd filters...  I am looking to set up a filtration system, as the local Massey-ferguson dealer gave me 4 barrels of oil, and said I could have all they generate...

What can you tell us about it Chris?

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Re: Oil filters
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2006, 01:24:43 PM »
hi The major difference in filtration is cost v performance.

The cost of the element in a centrifugal is nil. Toilet paper beats other elements by a mile.

http://www.filtrationsolutionsww.com/

http://www.wefilterit.com/

http://www.gulfcoastfilters.com/

http://www.luber-finer.com/

http://www.bypassfilter.com/

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Re: Oil filters
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2006, 06:25:29 PM »
fly i use the motorgaurd set up with a grainger 4f653. it iis a small pump that i chuck up in a 1/2 drill. keep your fil;er on the suck side or you will blow the ring out with wads of tp and oil. flow is out a 1/2 hose a stream 2 or 3 inches from the end. not killer but plenty enough for me. ill post how long  it takes to get 5 gallons in a while. i got 5 of these pumps free just neeeding shaft seals and the motorgaurd the first was ademo i ordered 1 more and was shipped 6 for the price of 1. the tp is also free from a freind who stumbled acrosss a couple crushed cases. i am not complaining by any means

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Re: Oil filters
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2006, 09:48:57 PM »
flydc8 ran some gimmie oil i think it was in the sae 50 range. not motor oil, to thick not 90wt to thin. with the tp that was in  my MG already 5 gal in 4 1/2 min. i noticed my flow down a bit, maybe time to refresh filter? the oil was about 70f. this is a little cooler than my usual. i normally filter veggie and at a quicker rate. havent timed yet only guessed gpm in the past but as i stated flow was down a tad. if your nasty fung a son dealer is going to surrender hyd oil make that a good friend indeed. no matter what your mama told u when u was grow in up there aint no free lunch.

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Re: Oil filters
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2006, 10:45:05 PM »
Hi I notice when there is water in the oil the TP paper gets mushy and hard to remove from the Motorgard case.
You can moniter filter performance with gages, one before and one after. When the filer needs changine the pressure drop across the filter will rise, or the flow will drop.
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Re: Oil filters
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2006, 10:55:06 PM »
true with the gauge set up. i hadnt thought about it but only 1 or 2 times was the tp mush as was stated. i usually pull from clear jugs scimming off the top so very rarely suck up water but that sounds good to me. also i had to put wire screen in the top 1/2 to keep the tp from trying to get into the little grooves of the canister. the rolls that im getting arent quit big enough so its about 1 1/4
rolls per change. i just wind a little on a roll and go with it, i do not pull the card board tube there is no need and dont want to try