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« on: February 14, 2017, 10:31:09 PM »
Hello I am wondering if anyone knows where to find the whole rocker arm assembly. the mounting block, shaft and rocker arms and replacement bushings. My rocker arms are quite sloppy on the shafts and the shafts themselves wiggle easily enough even though all nuts and bolts are tight. Engine is a powersolutions 6-1 made in 2005. thank you.

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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2017, 12:36:44 AM »
We stock ALL parts for the Lister engine series, including clones. gary@dieselgen.com

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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2017, 06:42:27 AM »
Hey Blueflame one of the leading exporters of lister diesel engine and its spare parts. We can provide you all spare parts of lister diesel engine. You can check this out on www.crosswordagro.com

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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2017, 11:26:06 AM »
Hey Blueflame one of the leading exporters of lister diesel engine and its spare parts. We can provide you all spare parts of lister diesel engine. You can check this out on www.crosswordagro.com

I saw you spamming another site and had a look at your page. Sent a price request for engines and a part 3 Days ago and still haven't heard anything back. I'd be lying if I said I'm at all surprised.
Not much point posting on these sites if when you do get people go to your page you don't follow up. Might be better for all concerned if you respond to the inquires you already have rather than trying to generate more.

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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2017, 02:42:06 PM »
I have also investigated and posted queries on the Crossword site... no responses. I am not surprised either. There are at least many dozens (if not hundreds) of such small export companies in India... we have dealt with many of them over the years - I have visited many of them in person as well. Some few actually maintain any sorts of their own stocks (most do NOT), None are actually in control of the manufacturing or quality standards, fewer will do business in anything resembling Western standards. I like the Crossword Agro catalog... but, we already have plenty of experience with some few companies who are actually straightforward about the inner workings in India and don't put on airs about how huge and important their own business is in the grand scheme. We have lost tens of thousands of dollars to unscrupulous players, posers and thieves in that marketplace. They will always demand their payment up front and in many cases provide zero recourse once any significant or difficult problem is revealed. Buyer beware!  ;)

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2017, 02:55:34 AM »

These are very good points and worth remembering. They don't work to the same standards of trade as we do in the west and I'm am sure many work on the fact they can get away with ripping people off, particularly from other countries, and there is nothing they can do.
It's a pity the Chinese don't do these type engines. In my limited experience but in the many reports from people I know personally that import commercial products from there, their standards of business and quality are much higher.

The guy across the road from me goes over to China about 4 times a year. He laughs at the rubbish quality mindset. He says you get what you pay for. You want cheap, they will make it cheap. You want quality, no worries, BUT, I'm afraid sir that is going to cost you $1 more per unit.
Guy takes over sample units and they always identify the weak spots which he knows from experience is what breaks. Says he pays his Dollar more for the " upgrades" and the problem never happens again and his copy pars outlast the OEM's usually by a good margin.

It would be interesting for those in the know to approach a Chinese manufacturer and see what they could put a lister type together for.  Surely it would have to come back at a viable rate. I don't know the difference in Indian and Chines manufacturing costs but I'm betting it's not a lot.

Maybe until the Chinese do the roid type engines, the best bet is a nice large horizontal and just run it nice and slow.

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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2017, 09:23:22 AM »
I recently got my hands on a diesel generator with a Chinese clone of a Yanmar L100 engine. I have had to replace a few parts, eg fan cowling and air filter box. I replaced them with genuine Yanmar parts and they fitted directly with no fettling. It's an electric start engine that I'm currently fantasizing about putting into a motorbike frame. It's light at under 20kgs but only 3k rpm and 10 hp but doable if I could find a gearbox that would work (a budget gearbox) It starts easy enough and the quality is way better than I thought. It had a 6kv alternator thats not working and sadly a replacement is way too dear. I think that if the Chinese made the Listeroids they would be of a reasonable enough quality to make them reliable.
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2017, 11:54:08 AM »


I helped a Guy some years ago that had that motor in a bike frame.  He was doing a round the world Trip on veg oil.  His first engine was OK and got him a long way but an accident required it be replaced. After that he had a lot of trouble.  My conclusion was the new(er) engines had a lower compression and a different injection rate. I also think he held the thing open too much which caused the thing to Coke up through too much unburnt Fuel in the Cylinder.  I thought of WI but as he was coking the rings in about 100KM, I couldn't see it being effective in keeping the thing clean.  I got him to blend the Oil with Petrol and that certainly helped, doubled the range between rebuilds but was still impractically short. I wanted him to shave the head on the thing and get the compression way up but I think by that time he'd had enough and finished his last part of the journey on Diesel.

The bike didn't have a gearbox, it had a CV type clutch which worked well and gave no problems.  They are centrifugal variable size Pulleys that change the gear ratio according to speed and load.  Compact and efficient.
The Bike was LOADED with gear and the clutch and engine when it was going seemed to handle it well. No speed Demon but 55 Mph as he was getting on the flat roads was something I thought just from the POV of overcoming the Drag from all the saddle bags and things that were draped over the bike and sticking out.
I have seen some of these engines put in bikes and equipped with the little IHI Turbos which would be a very good Idea I reckon. 

If the Chinese could get the Roids as good as their horizontal Diesels, I think they would put India out of business pretty quick. If nothing else, No one from the western world would buy indian engines any more.

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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2017, 11:56:43 AM »
There are indeed a few over there that seem to have some sort of western morality as it would  pertain to business and honesty of word. I chose to not sort through it  when there are known reliable sources right here in the US of A that also provide us with loads of freebie information on this website aka  D.E.S.,  aka Dieselgman, aka Gary. (unpaid advertisement ;D)  Others have imported an engine or two and done OK but sadly many have been taken and (rightfully) dont come on here and cry about their losses.  
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2017, 12:20:51 PM »
I've had good service from Dev Precision. I had to gee them up with a post on here, which I sent them a link to, , they replaced a dodgy injector pump free of charge and with no quibbles, including it in the delivery of my 3rd order ) I was happy to pay the extra postage. Each order was placed on the Sunday night and arrived on the following Friday, as fast as I can get stuff from the UK to France. The protection / power of Paypal is not to be understated! I'm sure there are others with a different tale

On this, as a on any other forum, guys will always try a bit of guerrilla marketing, I say let 'em on, there's enough experienced hands on here to sort out the wheat from the chaff.

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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2017, 11:38:03 AM »

On this, as a on any other forum, guys will always try a bit of guerrilla marketing, I say let 'em on, there's enough experienced hands on here to sort out the wheat from the chaff.

Cheers Stef

I agree a bit is OK as it can make one aware of suppliers they would have never known of otherwise.
I welcome it when it's here as several guys that have businesses put in so much time and advise to help others, people would be nuts to go elsewhere.
When people come to forums flogging their wares and then don't answer the inquiry's they do drum up, It makes me wonder.

What shits me to tears though is people that will come along, push a product, throw a hissy fit when questioned or rebuked, before you know it there is some other newb singing the praises of the questionable product, swears they are just a satisfied customer but post on no other subject and then after doing their seagull impersonation of making a lot of noise and shitting on everything, take off and are never heard from or seen again.
Geez I have seen that a lot over the years to the point I can predict it now in a couple of responses.

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There are indeed a few over there that seem to have some sort of western morality as it would  pertain to business and honesty of word.

Dunno if anyone else Spends much time on fleabay looking at stuff and have noticed their proclivity for numbers?  Every seller tries to outdo the other by inflating Numbers of the product till they are pure and utter fantasy.  I recently saw a number of those LIPO jump starters with 50,000 amp hr Batteries.  I have seen small portable stereos with 3000W output, Flashlights with 20,000 Lumen output that run for 4 Hours on 3 AAA batteries and one of my pet favourites, 12 to 240V Inverters that do 2 KW output but only have 1x 40A fuse.  YA.

Can you imagine buying a Chinese Lister from an ebay seller?

" Electric  generating machine of water corn grinding 5000Ft/Hr.

Specifications:  600 Hp @ 65000 RPM
Fuel Consumption: 1L hr
Weight: 25Kg
Life expectancy" 100,000 HR. (where have I heard that before?)

This lightweight machine powerful for  you every needing. Very handy for Kitchen, bedroom bathroom.  Made quality materials for you enjoyment.
Please specify your Bust, waist and hips size when ordering. If you do not specify Colour of shoes we will send out choices to you.

Free Postage:  Delivery between Feb 31 and Jan 15    Express postage $2000 extra. Delivery between Feb 28 and Jan 11 .  (Of course if this was a US seller, Postage would only be one month but cost $94,312.)    
Buy 12 get 5% off first one.

Feedback:
NEGATIVE: Product not as specified. Sent seller 27 messages over 3 weeks, still no reply. Dissapointed.

Sellers Reply: Why not you contact before leaving Neg Feedback us? We fix any problem for you no worry. Please email us for we make you happy always and send you new hat.  "

Yes.... The Chinese may still give us some consternation in doing business with them too.

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I helped a Guy some years ago that had that motor in a bike frame.  He was doing a round the world Trip on veg oil.  His first engine was OK and got him a long way but an accident required it be replaced. After that he had a lot of trouble.  My conclusion was the new(er) engines had a lower compression and a different injection rate. I also think he held the thing open too much which caused the thing to Coke up through too much unburnt Fuel in the Cylinder.  I thought of WI but as he was coking the rings in about 100KM, I couldn't see it being effective in keeping the thing clean.  I got him to blend the Oil with Petrol and that certainly helped, doubled the range between rebuilds but was still impractically short. I wanted him to shave the head on the thing and get the compression way up but I think by that time he'd had enough and finished his last part of the journey on Diesel.

The bike didn't have a gearbox, it had a CV type clutch which worked well and gave no problems.  They are centrifugal variable size Pulleys that change the gear ratio according to speed and load.  Compact and efficient.
The Bike was LOADED with gear and the clutch and engine when it was going seemed to handle it well. No speed Demon but 55 Mph as he was getting on the flat roads was something I thought just from the POV of overcoming the Drag from all the saddle bags and things that were draped over the bike and sticking out.
I have seen some of these engines put in bikes and equipped with the little IHI Turbos which would be a very good Idea I reckon. 

If the Chinese could get the Roids as good as their horizontal Diesels, I think they would put India out of business pretty quick. If nothing else, No one from the western world would buy indian engines any more.

Thats very interesting I'd be keen on seeing photographs of it. Being off a generator my engine has a tapered shaft so there would probably be difficulties connecting anything other than a generator alternator to the shaft? But there's always other engines on pumps etc and the Chinese version is cheap enough. I did a little bit of research and those engines come with fixed or variable speeds so again not too difficult and some even have a cut-off solenoid. I believe the American version is 3600 rpm. A Turbo would be the icing on the cake!
Of course there would be other problems one being living in Ireland and getting it made road legal. An engine change in a car here even for a like for like engine means tons of paperwork, expensive main dealer visit to get the engine number, cc etc verified and associated fees. Thats doable tho. I like the idea of an old cruiser plodding along at 50 mph.
And there's my nightmare, electrics! You'd need lights indicators etc How to generate power?
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2017, 11:52:45 AM »

On this, as a on any other forum, guys will always try a bit of guerrilla marketing, I say let 'em on, there's enough experienced hands on here to sort out the wheat from the chaff.

Cheers Stef

I agree a bit is OK as it can make one aware of suppliers they would have never known of otherwise.
I welcome it when it's here as several guys that have businesses put in so much time and advise to help others, people would be nuts to go elsewhere.
When people come to forums flogging their wares and then don't answer the inquiry's they do drum up, It makes me wonder.

What shits me to tears though is people that will come along, push a product, throw a hissy fit when questioned or rebuked, before you know it there is some other newb singing the praises of the questionable product, swears they are just a satisfied customer but post on no other subject and then after doing their seagull impersonation of making a lot of noise and shitting on everything, take off and are never heard from or seen again.
Geez I have seen that a lot over the years to the point I can predict it now in a couple of responses.

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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2017, 02:01:22 PM »

 Being off a generator my engine has a tapered shaft so there would probably be difficulties connecting anything other than a generator alternator to the shaft?

My Ruggerini was a gen engine adaptred to a fire pump. It has a tapered spigot that is threaded in the middle. The stub shaft is great as it's stepped for 1" and 3'4 so I can put all the popular size pulleys on the thing.
I'd say you can buy these but if not couldn't be expensive to have a machine shop turn up for you.

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I did a little bit of research and those engines come with fixed or variable speeds so again not too difficult and some even have a cut-off solenoid.

The fixed generator ones usualy have a cover over the throttle assembly and are speed set with a screw. You can get the little arms and plate that fit on the shaft for the pump that takes a throttle cable. Easy conversion and  you could get the parts from a Chinese website like alibaba and similar.

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I believe the American version is 3600 rpm.
Yes, US generator version would be 3600. they are usually double rated at 300 and 3600 RPM no matter what the application. I have run mine for many hours around 2000 RPM and never had any trouble.


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A Turbo would be the icing on the cake!

In my experience with diesels in vehicles, a turbo is essential.
The current Vehicle I have Now is Turboed. The one before was the same make, model, engine and even Colour. The difference is like a 4 Cyl and a V8.
The other NA one I had Turned up as far as it would go and it was still a moving obstacle on the highway that would not go up the slightest hill without losing highway speed.
This one isn't turned up near where it is capable ( which is a bit too much power and speed for the Chassis and brakes) but it just monsters up hills.  The steeper the hill the more the turbo winds up and the bigger the shove in the back.  Add the water injection with meth and it will wind out up the steepest hills I know of within 300KM of me. You run out of revs and the thing still wants to pull. If you take off hard enough, the thing will just lift the front wheel off the ground when it's turned up and you get the clutch right so it hooks up and doesn't just spin both rears.
Would never have another Diesel without a turbo. Or 2.

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Of course there would be other problems one being living in Ireland and getting it made road legal.
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Much the same here. Straight engine replacement is no biggie but an engine swap would be something different. you'd need an engineers Cert for a start so figure $1500 just for that to say everything you did is road legal and properly engineered.  That's after you did the conversion and wore the cost of that.

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I like the idea of an old cruiser plodding along at 50 mph.

Dunno about plodding, I think it would be screaming at 50 depending on how long you wanted to wait to get there but it would certainly be economical.

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And there's my nightmare, electrics! You'd need lights indicators etc How to generate power?

If you were installing in another bike frame it would be very easy. You would want an electric start version of the engine because that would have an alternator.  From memory I think they put out something like 12A which would be enough. All you would have to do would be wire the starter on the engine and the power output and that would be it really. Everything else could stay the same bar maybe a gear indicator or neutral cut out. Wouldn't cost much to take it to a sparky and do it for you as I couldn't see more than an hours work if they had a clue.

Would be a project but as you say, doable.

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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2017, 03:44:35 AM »
Tried to post a picture of my engine and cooling system. Been a great machine for me so far.