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« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2015, 03:23:18 PM »
There is also at least one foundry in Ontario near Kitchener/Waterloo run by some Mennonites who make cast iron parts for wood stoves. I can work on their contact information if needed
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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2015, 05:08:37 PM »
This one is located in Alabama, I am still trying to find the foundry down south that was producing the best blacksmiths
firepot I have ever used, they were still in business a few years ago....I will keep looking...

http://www.imperialcastinginc.com/

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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2015, 09:37:40 PM »
And there's a foundry in Texas as well:

http://www.ociw.com/

Oil City Iron Works
They do foundry work, pattern making, molding, cast iron, machining, etc.

They are in Corsicana, which is just South of Dallas.
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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2015, 09:52:29 PM »
Thanks guys... if American iron can compete in small jobs, there is absolutely no reason not to keep the full manufacturing job close to home. We will query them all for some estimates to develop molds and tooling and come up with some $$ cost numbers to work with.

We almost purchased a defunct foundry in central Kansas a few years back... I spent a lot of time with developing a business plan around the idea but circumstance and financials prevented completion of the deal.

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« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2015, 03:57:39 AM »
OCIW is the foundry partner that produces the TFS anvil series.  They have the reputation of being one of the finest anvils produced
for Blacksmiths today.  They are one of only 3 or 4 that are still produced in the USA.  Corsicana is only an hour away from me...
You would think I would have toured it by now...

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« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2015, 04:28:29 PM »
Re micrometer, Starret makes a brail model. Im not shittin' ya, I saw it in their catalog.
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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2016, 10:02:47 PM »
I think the main thing would be the price.  Listeroids are in the $2500-3000 range it seems now for indian quality.  If you could produce near dursley quality again and keep it as far under $5k a unit I think guys would go for that.  I know I would be quite interested.

I miss when all the great american companies had their own foundries even, like JI Case.  What a shame we have lost our manufacturing might.

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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2016, 12:28:24 AM »
This is a fascinating possibility. Question though: The subject of "making molds" and their cost has been mentioned. Every iron works that I've seen (and every book on the subject) uses hand rammed sand molds. Are you talking about the patterns perhaps? A simple wooden pattern for a part is not that complicated and once made is good for many, many pours before it needs to be made again.

Crankshafts: This is (or should be) a forged part, not cast, so it might be necessary to source those from India since I think the cost here in the U.S. would be too great. Maybe not, but it's something to consider.

So, would these be finished kits, i.e. all machine work done or rough casting kits.....or maybe both? Lots of questions but you can bet I'll be keeping an eye on this post!
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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2016, 03:14:42 PM »
I have emailed and filled in web-forms for all of the mentioned small foundries... zero responses so far.

The Indian crank forgings have for the most part been quite good... maybe a bit of a tune up in the machining details and additional surface hardening will be required though.

I do not know the exact mold preparation procedures for these complex parts, but certainly a multi-step process involving reusable patterns will be indicated.

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« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2016, 04:13:30 PM »
I have emailed and filled in web-forms for all of the mentioned small foundries... zero responses so far.
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That is a shame. It seems getting a call back is as hard as getting something made in the US these days. I usually just revert to calling manufacturers and going down the phone tree these days. Kicking an email down the road for another day seems to be the norm. Good luck and thanks for the work you are putting in on this.

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« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2016, 11:23:30 PM »
 
I worked in an aluminium foundry many years ago for short time.
I have been involved with tooling and machining, in one
form or another with many different materials, for most of
my life.

I would think these engines could be aluminum except for the
obvious crank, rod, wrist pin and most of the fuel system....etc...

Wood forms, or "patterns", and sand moulds would work fine.

Lets see,  crankcase, bearing holders, cylinder, crankcase door, intake, exhaust manifolds,
head, water manifolds, cast valve cover ( that would be nice ! ) and probably a few other parts
I have forgotten,  could be done here, in the USA. Other parts could be imported : crank,
rod, fuel system.....etc.

A Google search provided several aluminum foundrys across the USA.....

Any thoughts?

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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2016, 11:40:34 PM »
To my knowledge, aluminum casting is far more expensive and technical than iron... and aluminum would require extra reinforcing webs in critical stress areas. I think that heavy iron may be the best thing for blocks and cylinders. Of course the valve covers and other plates could easily be of aluminum... valve covers always were.

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« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2016, 12:58:05 AM »

Most aluminium products we see today are injection or pressure molded.

That requires expensive tooling and associated machinery.

The current liseroid models we see today are sand cast. That is ancient
technology.  There are companies in the states today that still use it.

The reference to strength I would question.  I would think the basic parts
would provide enough "meat" for crank case, cylinder, head.....etc.
 
Let me state here I am NOT an expert in metallurgy, but somewhat knowledgeable
about tools, tooling and setup.

Mostly just thinking out loud.

I'll amble off now,

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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2016, 09:12:11 AM »
Hmmmmm..... An "Aircraft Version" aluminum Lister.....
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« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2016, 01:45:21 PM »
Also, think coefficient of thermal expansion, it will be significantly different changing from iron to aluminum. Aluminum alloys have been widely used in automotive engines where weight vs power is at a high premium and especially in some of the air-cooled Lister versions - not in the Lister crankcases and never the cylinders though - except for the little AC model which is designed and built around a desire for minimum weight and maximum portability. We like the heavy iron in our antiques...  :laugh:

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