Author Topic: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications  (Read 235955 times)

ajaffa1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1402
    • View Profile
Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #750 on: February 25, 2019, 08:32:42 AM »
Hey Glort, further to our conversation on another thread, I emailed Stephen at Ozlisteroids this morning. I haven`t had a reply yet but will let you know as soon as I do.

Bob

EdDee

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 772
    • View Profile
Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #751 on: March 13, 2019, 05:28:44 PM »
Hey Girls and Non-Girls...

Been busy with a weird and wonderful project waste of time thingy task!

I got the shitz with everybody disturbing my workbench dining room table, while I was designing plc and electronic gizmos and the like... I tend to get a bit nervous pissed off when a cup of tea gets balance on top of the air vents on my Phillips dual trace scope or my Motorola spectrum analyzer... I am no longer in a cash position to replace them, so treat with care be bloody careful when using them is the "order of the day"... Granted, the old motorola only goes to a gig, but its "old school" good stuff, and I would like to keep it working for as long as possible... (along with all the other misc. bits and bobs I have picked up over the years...)

A solution was found:

I have an aluminium shipping container that was put in the front yard a good few years ago, wired to power (solar and Lister backed up of course) and this was "lent" to a young chap to do leather work type stuff, whilst he was between jobs, just something to keep his hands busy and make some pocket money to keep going... He moved on a year or two back and the little workshop has been standing pretty much empty as a store room since then...

Here goes the devil finding things to keep me busy...again....

I cleaned the place up, it is not a full 6m unit, the back 2m are partitioned off with a side door to access... This back partition is used as a "reloading room" that I keep all my presses, molding, sizing and priming kit in... too many toys so little time...but, I digress as usual...

Right, back on track, the front 4m or so, with access from the double doors, I have converted into a small, small, tiny little electronics workshop. All that was needed was to bring the component drawers in, the scopes, the analyzers, the multi meters, the measuring kit, the solder stations, the..... and the list goes on... Needless to say, its 4 weeks later, I am still finding test and measuring equipment all over the place, the little electronics workshop is full, and, at the very least, I am not getting tea, beer and coffee spilt into my coveted gizmos that I am making or using to break fix things with...

Initially, I was planning on turning this little place into a "hobby room" - a place to do some of my R/C heli modelling and construction, or, at the very least a place I could set up my model of the "HMS Victory" I am busy building (busy is a very "loose" word, I've been at it for about 20 years, the main hull and decks are done, masts, rigging and sails left to do)... Needless to say, HMS V and my 2x.30 Hirobo Shuttles are not really anywhere near the "hobby room" due to lack of space... Stuffit... I think I must just take over the whole damn house and kick all the residents into the workshop tents.....

On the bright side, its good fun to have an electronics workshop again, I never realised how much I missed having one previously! Wonderful to get the shitz with a project and be able to walk away, to come back 3 days later and carry on without having to unpack stuff from storage or try to find stuff that was "tidied up"!!

Already had a chance to fix up a few 2 way radios that were a bit worse for wear as well as many, many small things that I have "put one side" until I could find time...

Quite honestly, now I am running out of excuses and reasons for not finishing off TM1's rebuild...

Oh wait...there's that .308 and the .243 that I got the other day... Need to go test them first before I get all diesel-oily.....

Another day, another reason, another excuse....

Keep it spinning....

Cheers
Ed
12/1 750RPM/9HP Roid 5kVA- WMO Disposal/Electricity & Hot Water Gen
12/1 650RPM/8HP Roid 4.5kVa - Demon Dino
Chinese Yanmar - Silent Runner with AutoStart
Classic Komatsu 1963 Dozer/Fergusson 35 Gold Belly ...
Bikes,Cars,Gunsmithing & Paintball...Oh yes, a 5Ha open air Workshop to play in!

EdDee

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 772
    • View Profile
Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #752 on: May 02, 2019, 11:39:46 AM »
Hey Ladies, Gentlemen and Glort....

Happy Easter to Y'all!!!!!

Got back from a visit to family a few days ago, spent a week in a neighboring city - What a difference!!

Saw sisters, mother, nieces and mates! Was good to visit my old home town for a change, its been long overdue... Dunno why anybody was happy to see me, me being the obnoxious, ill mannered, ill tempered lout that I am... But had I a genuinely great time, everybody else at least "said" that they were glad to see me, some were so genuine that I almost believed them...  ;)

Whilst I was there, I visited the local porn tool retailers, I was totally amazed at the lack of quality of medium duty workshop kit that was on sale... I wouldn't pay a quarter of the marked price for that junk...

Totally discouraged I set off back to the mother's abode (where I was staying) and threw a chainsaw around the place for a while, after a quick repair of course... Felt much better after taking out my frustrations (Heavy rain caused a Coral Tree to shed some 18" x 10 yard boughs.) ... The best woodworking implement I have ever used - Stihl038...

Whilst I was there, I started stripping my "offsite" milling machine which was stored in their garage... Took a few days to unlimber everything from the base, its been in storage for nigh on 10 - 15yrs now, so I figured it was time to hook it homewards and start playing with it... About 3000+kg later, we had the base and bed on a trailer, with the slide/swivel/head carefully packed into the VW Microbus... All done with hand chain block and the like, no gantry or fancy stuff was available - the most high tech bit we used was a 2t chain block, second to that a few pipes as rollers and third to that a crowbar or two... Who said that a Lister was a basic machine....?

After a four hour drive a couple of days later, we unloaded it at its home premises here in EL... What a pleasure to use the overhead gantry and hydraulic engine hoist!! (The unit is a Kondia 70 series Powermill, similar to a Bridgeport, possibly a bit sturdier.)

With around about 500mm or so table clearance, this unit has a wee bit more gap than my old Elliot, but, the Elliot can take way heavier work.... But....They each have their place!

Also brought back a dividing head... The damn thing weighs in at around 50kg, I guess, almost busted my spleen/spine/liver and rectum lifting it out of the car... (the engine hoist was occupied at the time)... I paid for the workout a bit later, for about 72hrs in fact... The brain's definitely writing cheques the body is having trouble cashing....

But, enough of that...Glort, when you coming to visit SA? I need another grumpy old fart to commiserate with... I think that between the two of us, we could put up and host quite a few entertaining evenings... I don't know if anybody else would enjoy it besides us though.... Certainly would be interesting...

Enough rambling...Time to go pack away the tools from the last few night's assembling...

Keep it grumbling...

Cheers
Ed

As usual, the mandatory crappy quality cell images follow...
12/1 750RPM/9HP Roid 5kVA- WMO Disposal/Electricity & Hot Water Gen
12/1 650RPM/8HP Roid 4.5kVa - Demon Dino
Chinese Yanmar - Silent Runner with AutoStart
Classic Komatsu 1963 Dozer/Fergusson 35 Gold Belly ...
Bikes,Cars,Gunsmithing & Paintball...Oh yes, a 5Ha open air Workshop to play in!

dax021

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 176
    • View Profile
Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #753 on: May 02, 2019, 08:40:12 PM »
Glort, I think Ed meant, "when are you coming to South Africa?"

dieselspanner

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 656
    • View Profile
Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #754 on: May 03, 2019, 08:30:34 AM »
This could all go terribly wrong,

What happens if Glort ends up in Saudi Arabia?

Cheers
Stef
Tighten 'til it strips, weld nut to chassis, peen stud, adjust with angle grinder.

EdDee

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 772
    • View Profile
Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #755 on: May 03, 2019, 08:34:16 AM »
OMW...Glort...get off that plane...Rebook....ZA ZA ZA ZA ZA ZA ZA ZA...
12/1 750RPM/9HP Roid 5kVA- WMO Disposal/Electricity & Hot Water Gen
12/1 650RPM/8HP Roid 4.5kVa - Demon Dino
Chinese Yanmar - Silent Runner with AutoStart
Classic Komatsu 1963 Dozer/Fergusson 35 Gold Belly ...
Bikes,Cars,Gunsmithing & Paintball...Oh yes, a 5Ha open air Workshop to play in!

EdDee

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 772
    • View Profile
Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #756 on: May 09, 2019, 01:29:24 PM »
Hey fellow cretins....

Something somewhat Lister related for a change....

I have been thinking of adding an additional water heat exchanger to the exhaust of the Lister/Burner, something that must be easily "cleanable" as well as offering minimal obstruction to allow as free a flow as possible, particularly as the last usable section of "silencer/stack" is convection operated for the burner, as opposed to forced exhaust when it is used in Lister-mode...

It doesn't have to be particularly efficient in Lister-mode, the exchanger is more for catching the tail end of the flames from the burner... I have noticed, in burner mode, that I can wind up the wick and get about 5ft of 4" piping to a nice cherry red, this is after the main heatex for the burner... Now I can wind it up and put all this fun to use....

Fun, Fun, Fun.....

Keep it heating.....

Cheers
Ed

12/1 750RPM/9HP Roid 5kVA- WMO Disposal/Electricity & Hot Water Gen
12/1 650RPM/8HP Roid 4.5kVa - Demon Dino
Chinese Yanmar - Silent Runner with AutoStart
Classic Komatsu 1963 Dozer/Fergusson 35 Gold Belly ...
Bikes,Cars,Gunsmithing & Paintball...Oh yes, a 5Ha open air Workshop to play in!

mikenash

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 843
    • View Profile
Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #757 on: May 09, 2019, 07:14:03 PM »
If that last five feet of 4" pipe is vertical or vertical-ish, why don't you replace it with a double-skinned stainless section - 4" pipe inside 6" pipe with an inch fitting top and bottom.  Voila!  Thermosiphon

I'm a big fan of solid, heavy-wall, stainless wetbacks, and have had them on my last four woodstoves.  IMHO much, much more effective at heating water than any copper loop device

Cheers

EdDee

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 772
    • View Profile
Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #758 on: May 10, 2019, 08:27:28 AM »
Hi Mike,

Easier said than done, I'm afraid... This section of pipe was an afterthought, tacked onto the original project...because, well, I just had it lying around... Unfortunately, it is higher than my heat-store too, so hydronic wouldn't work either.... But hey, good suggestion nevertheless!!

The copper loop device is just to glean a bit of energy out when I over-fuel the burner...More playing around than anything else... Again, just because it was laying around, might as well make something of the copper... (before the local miscreants come visiting again and appropriate it....)

Cheers
Ed
12/1 750RPM/9HP Roid 5kVA- WMO Disposal/Electricity & Hot Water Gen
12/1 650RPM/8HP Roid 4.5kVa - Demon Dino
Chinese Yanmar - Silent Runner with AutoStart
Classic Komatsu 1963 Dozer/Fergusson 35 Gold Belly ...
Bikes,Cars,Gunsmithing & Paintball...Oh yes, a 5Ha open air Workshop to play in!

mikenash

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 843
    • View Profile
Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #759 on: May 10, 2019, 10:24:01 AM »
Y'know if you made a fat outer pipe so there was quite a bit of capacity, and vented it to atmosphere at the same height - or maybe about a foot higher? -  than the vent on your hot water cylinder, you could probably use it as some sort of crude pre-heater for the HWC.  Smart folks here could come up with all sorts of management systems for something like that . . .

EdDee

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 772
    • View Profile
Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #760 on: May 10, 2019, 12:09:29 PM »
Would be cool....but.....the main hot water store is about 3ft below ground level in the basementl...I aint diggin up me concrete!!

I do have a PLC spare on the other hand...with a quad analog thermocouple input....I could just hook that up and with a flow detector on each tap with a thermocouple, a passive in each washroom to detect human ingress..... a couple of progressive solenoid valves...a bluetooth module.... Away we go... Walk into the bathroom with your phone, the system recognizes you, you open a shower tap and voila....Water set exactly to the temperature you need/like.... The fact that you have to go to the basement to program the PLC cold/hot mix should't be a problem.....

Enough of my BS...

Lol
Ed
12/1 750RPM/9HP Roid 5kVA- WMO Disposal/Electricity & Hot Water Gen
12/1 650RPM/8HP Roid 4.5kVa - Demon Dino
Chinese Yanmar - Silent Runner with AutoStart
Classic Komatsu 1963 Dozer/Fergusson 35 Gold Belly ...
Bikes,Cars,Gunsmithing & Paintball...Oh yes, a 5Ha open air Workshop to play in!

ajaffa1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1402
    • View Profile
Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #761 on: May 10, 2019, 11:31:53 PM »
Not quite as crazy as it sounds. Bill Gates used to send out a questionnaire to all his house guests. This information was programmed into the main house computer and the guests were tracked using a radio chip, as they moved from room to room the art work, temperature, light levels and  background music would change to suite the guest. Preferred water temperature should be easy.

Bob

ajaffa1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1402
    • View Profile
Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #762 on: May 11, 2019, 10:13:04 AM »
Very interested in your automated oil burner idea. I have now found an almost unlimited supply of WVO and am looking to collect some soon for cleaning. I also need to find some suitable storage. I know where there are in excess of a hundred empty 45 gallon barrels and I will be collecting some as soon as Narelle is out of hospital.

In the UK I ran heating boilers on a variety of liquid fuels and I am sure that a WVO boiler would work very well if you were prepared to replace the spark ignition system with an LPG pilot light.

Bob

ajaffa1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1402
    • View Profile
Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #763 on: May 12, 2019, 01:08:21 AM »
Wow, a lot to think about there. Some early Lister petrol/kero engines had a carburetor exactly as you describe with a weir arrangement rather than a float valve. Fuel was pumped up to the carburetor any excess flowed over the weir and returned to the fuel tank.

Like the idea of using solenoids valves to trigger incremental burners as the demand increases. should be efficient and easily controllable.

Very worried you are trying to build the worlds largest oil burner, does your Wife know what you are up to and are you planning to warn the neighbors? You might also want to warn local air traffic control and possibly NORAD, wouldn`t want our American cousins thinking someone has launched a nuclear missile!  :laugh:

I will certainly be using IBC tanks for storage. The 44s will only be used for transportation of dirty oil. Later I will be building a trailer with an IBC tank for collections.

Very much like the idea of a spa heater and pump to drive the filtration process, I will start looking out for such a system.

Bob

oldtime

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 17
    • View Profile
Re: The Listeroid Chronicles-WMO and Other Listeroid Modifications
« Reply #764 on: May 12, 2019, 09:23:28 AM »
There is a great carburetor in an old oil heater take a look at them. . I used to service them . They have a float height control and an element to heat the oil .