I dont know Bob I think he is about right on the price? I have purchased several new ones in that price range over the last several years, must admit to never owning an R190. Last one was an Changfa R192 brand new in the crate for just over 400. Bought a new Changfa R180 for $325 and a couple lightly used wing ding dong?? brand 195s for less than $300 all within an hour of the house. Some around for a lot of money too, not sure if any of them sell? If Veg were close, it would have been mine,