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OneStep

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Identifing generator head
« on: November 24, 2012, 10:45:12 PM »
Ok, I pulled the outlet boxes and removed the end cap.  Here is the insided.

I hope some of yall will be able to help identify what brand of head this is, no plate or sticker.
Its a generator wound armature w 3 slip rings, 4 big field coils and 1 unused wire in the outlet box.










Lister Sr1  green paint under the yellow.
The adapter is red under the yellow.
Head is just primer  it was said to be 4kw

Any and all information is appreciated.

OS

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Re: Identifing generator head
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2012, 01:36:43 AM »








Sometimes this works and second try
« Last Edit: November 25, 2012, 01:42:04 AM by OneStep »

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Re: Identifing generator head
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2012, 03:21:29 AM »
it might be a winco head

they made rotating armature machines long after most others quit doing so

bob g
otherpower.com, microcogen.info, practicalmachinist.com
(useful forums), utterpower.com for all sorts of diy info

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Re: Identifing generator head
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2012, 04:59:44 AM »



Forgot to do the overall pics.

So far i haven't found pics of a head that matches, Winco's of old have a different end cap

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Re: Identifing generator head
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2012, 06:08:37 AM »
Hello Bob G  You were almost spot on,   Winpower a sister company of Winco.

I was hipped up  and google and have found this and its smaller but very similar and a good fan.
http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59763

Now if i can get some model numbers and such i can start looking for books and parts.

OS

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Re: Identifing generator head
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2012, 01:36:55 PM »
We have not been able to get anything for the obsolete Winpower built equipment for quite some time.  :(
We might have a couple of units in the Alaska scrapyard but I won't be able to look until next summer.

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Re: Identifing generator head
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2012, 01:49:35 PM »
Winco still offers quite a bit of old literature and you may be able to narrow down your search simply by looking through their documents.

http://www.wincogen.com/Winco_downloads.html#servicefiles

I hope this helps...

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Re: Identifing generator head
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2012, 05:08:47 PM »
If the price is right I would be very interested. But its Alaska too.

Thanks to Moteurdelco

I found a posting here, 2 really.  I am on a tractor forum that has a classic view and a modern view.

The 2 posts here have some of the same posters saying the same thing. Neither showed up in any of my searches here.
Found through google. early (classic) and late (modern)  Nov 2006.

He has a SR1 winpower  4kw CM4L4A with a high serial number

I finally found the winpower download section but not much info, got a general operation manual, Installation manual, serial number info  67-71 and a price list from 1981  this one is not on it starts at 5k. Except for dc units.
 ST1 5k head in 81  was 1045.00


But even with this info I am not finding much googling.

I did find a gas genset, cast iron briggs or T, starter generator engine with a 3.75 winpower
Too high too far but it looks nearly New  and has the id plate. And the big outlet /control box.

I recalled incorrectly this does have 4 field coils.  I recalled it only has 2.2k output.
But if it was set up for 110 only and i have a extra 10ga wire?
I don't recall if it was tested for 220v?

But in the long run i may bee better off finding a replacement head.
The engine will last a long time and is rebuild-able  but...

So any suggestions would be appreciated

OS

 

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Re: Identifing generator head
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2012, 08:49:18 PM »
If she works, run her... if she's broke, move on to the next candidate.

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Re: Identifing generator head
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2012, 09:37:42 PM »
True and that is the plan.

But i would like to get all the information for repairing and maintaining it.

And planning for a replacement when it dies is wise.

OS

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Re: Identifing generator head
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2012, 09:53:25 PM »
Well just got a email with a pdf of the parts list ( at least partial ) and some wiring diagrams from Dale Riebel at winco.
At least i have a better chance if i have to go poking around inside her.

I would like to plan for the worst, ie what will interchange  and or what i can convert onto it. and what would be needed.

I am trying to talk to stationaryengineparts.com about there SAE bell housing adapter flange. 
Close coupling of a 2 bearing  generator head  but they seem to know nothing about it  except they sell 3 sizes??

Anybody know anything about or have experience with this or something like it?

Thanks

OS

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Re: Identifing generator head
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2012, 03:47:45 PM »
Hi,at last i am registered.
I have the identical machine head as well,if i can help in any way let me know.
From the looks of your wiring on the head end it all looks the same as mine but you mentioned inside the box there is a wire not used? can u elaborate?

Gary

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Re: Identifing generator head
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2012, 06:33:21 PM »
Yea ant that a nightmare, registration

This is what it should look like

When the boxes were recreated apparently they only wanted 120v and wired one side only.

Its a 3 wire head, a,b,c.  a n b is 120,  b n c is 120, a n c is 240 with b neutral.

On mine b n c are unused  or c unused.  It was a custom setup, wrong but that is the way the Org Owner had it.


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Re: Identifing generator head
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2012, 08:40:11 PM »
I fitted a 5 kw 2 bearing Chinese ST head to a Lister ST1 to replace 4.5 Kva close coupled Brush alternator damaged in a fire, I removed the ST head front plate, turned a register, drilled 4 holes to match the Brush dimensions and replaced the taperlock bush in the Lovejoy coupling.        The ST front cover was so badly cast and thin that only  a 2mm register was possible after truing up the cover. The ST1 has the same dimensions as your SR1 so this is one route for you.

Mark.

Anybody know anything about or have experience with this or something like it?

Thanks

OS
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Re: Identifing generator head
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2012, 08:41:52 PM »
Mine is wired 120/240 the pictures were taken before being completed