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Re: 16/1 RPM Adjustment Issues....
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2011, 01:36:25 AM »
All TSC stores around here carry Non-Detergnt oil in 10-20-30-40 wt.  Link is to quart size 30 wt

http://www.tractorsupply.com/motor-oil/traveller-reg-non-detergent-oil-sae-30-1-qt--0804917
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Re: 16/1 RPM Adjustment Issues....
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2011, 04:33:03 AM »
Thanks, but that oil isn't rated for diesel engines.  Non-detergent oil is available at Autozone and other auto parts stores..... I just haven't found ANY rated for diesels.
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Re: 16/1 RPM Adjustment Issues....
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2011, 04:59:05 AM »
Thanks, but that oil isn't rated for diesel engines.  Non-detergent oil is available at Autozone and other auto parts stores..... I just haven't found ANY rated for diesels.

And you won't because it is not made.

A diesel that is broke in needs the additives for many reasons. Like anti wear and extreme pressure, carbon removal to name a few.
But in a fresh engine you might like to increase wear for the first hours to seat the rings. And break in oil is what you would use if you can find it. If you cannot a non detergent oil MIGHT do. Non deterget oil is probably sold more for use in air compressors and hydraulic systems where some of the additives MIGHT be a hindrance to there operation.

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Re: 16/1 RPM Adjustment Issues....
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2011, 06:30:42 AM »
You guys are probably right about that diesel rating.  We use 30 and 40 wt. for break-in and I believe that Traveler is one of the brand names from TSC.  We have had no problems using that for break-in use and then switch to 15-40.

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Re: 16/1 RPM Adjustment Issues....
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2011, 01:19:41 PM »
Guys

John Deere does have break-in oil for diesel engines it is a multi weight oil 10-30. Part number TY26663 in 5 gallon pails.
 
Here is some info copied off there web site.  Now remember these oils MIGHT not work in a listeroid due to the cold oil temps even in a hard working roid . Any way that is my opinion. Just posted this FYI.................

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Break-in Plus, Special Purpose Engine Oil

 

Break-in Plus is a special purpose engine oil developed to be used in rebuilt or remanufactured engines and new John Deere engines during the initial break-in period.

This next generation oil is formulated to provide a controlled environment for piston rings and cylinder liners to establish a good surface mating for maximum performance and long engine life. At the same time, Break-In Plus provides the necessary wear protection for valve train and gears.

 
Application

Break-In Plus is designed to be used in rebuilt or remanufactured engines and new John Deere engines for the initial oil service interval. Operate the engine under various conditions, particularly heavy loads with minimal idling, to help seat engine components properly.
   

 

Break-In Plus delivers performance and protection for an initial service interval equal to that of our premium Plus-50 II. During the initial operation of a new or remanufactured engine with Break-In Plus, change the oil and filter between a minimum of 100 hours and a maximum of up to 500 hours. The 100 hour minimum applies to all new or remanufactured engines, regardless of Tier.  The maximum service interval is the same as the service interval recommendations for Plus-50 and/or Plus-50 II, up to 500 hours. Check your operator manual for the maximum interval recommendation.

 
Features and Benefits

·        Contains special additives to control piston ring and liner seating without scuffing

·        These additives allow rings and liners to seat while protecting valve train and gears from wear

·        Piston rings and liners establish a good wear pattern for maximum performance and extended engine life

 
Break-In Plus provides two major differences from traditional Break-In oil

·        Meets the oil requirements for Interim Tier 4 (IT4) engines and supports all legacy engines

·        Service drain interval up to 500 hours (1)

 

John Deere Break-In Plus Engine Oil can be used for all John Deere diesel engines at all emission certification levels.

 

(1) Always follow Operator Manual

 
Initial Service Intervals

The initial break-in service interval of a new or remanufactured wet sleeve engine with Break-In Plus must go at least 100 hours to assure the surface mating of the rings and liners has had an opportunity to occur. The 100 hour minimum applies to all new or remanufactured wet-sleeve John Deere diesel engines, regardless of Tier certification level.

The maximum initial oil service interval when using Break-In Plus is the same as the service interval recommendations for Plus-50 II.



 
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Re: 16/1 RPM Adjustment Issues....
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2011, 02:34:51 PM »
Bill has it right, no diesel rating because non-detergent oil isnt going to make any diesel engine rating. Does that mean it's going to kill a Lister? No.  Does non-detergent mean no other additives? No. All oils sold as "motor" oils have some additives. Now finding oil that has no addtiives, that will be a trick. I think it is sold as pure mineral oil or something like that?

You have to look at the entire picture when trying to aplly oil and oil additive science to a 1920 engine design. Remeber that NONE of this was around way back when and and whole lot of oil hula-baloo has no pratical application in a 650 RPM engine that has massive overkill (by today's standars) in bearing surface area.

 In my (very slightly  ;D ) opininated opion for a clean engine just run 15W-40 Rotella Or Delo or other major brand diesel rated oil and quit worrying about motor oil.  For an old gunked up engine it gets more complicated. You must either flush it clean, or run an oil that allows the gunk to stay put, aka, non-detergent.
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Re: 16/1 RPM Adjustment Issues....
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2011, 12:26:38 AM »
I'm with you Butch, except the oil conversation had something to do with trying to improve or provide for a quick break-in for the slobbering engine. So we are just talking about the initial fill for the non-detergent stuff. Diesel rating does not matter at all in this case because the intent is to allow some wear to occur. Lister/Petter had to get real specific about this issue in their LPW series because they had chronic problems with them otherwise and it resulted in a cold-running and slobbering (brand new) engine.

Of course all issues must be dealt with such as applying a reasonable loading so that the engine can come up to full temperature and rings must wear-in order to seal up. After that has been done, run with the highest quality diesel rating you can get, to maximize engine longevity.

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