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Re: maybe we should make our own engines ?
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2011, 02:53:04 AM »
My gut tells me that by the time all is in  the Lister hungry will wish they had some some of those junky, sandy Indian engines to tear apart and make well :-\.  Ya'll aint goen to like the price of an American cast and machined engine sold in parts and pieces, take it to the bank.
 
 My opinion and Im stick'en to it. ;D
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Re: maybe we should make our own engines ?
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2011, 03:29:11 AM »
My gut tells me that by the time all is in  the Lister hungry will wish they had some some of those junky, sandy Indian engines to tear apart and make well :-\.  Ya'll aint goen to like the price of an American cast and machined engine sold in parts and pieces, take it to the bank.
 
 My opinion and Im stick'en to it. ;D

So your suggestion would be to...............................
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Re: maybe we should make our own engines ?
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2011, 01:03:45 PM »
My gut tells me that by the time all is in  the Lister hungry will wish they had some some of those junky, sandy Indian engines to tear apart and make well :-\.  Ya'll aint goen to like the price of an American cast and machined engine sold in parts and pieces, take it to the bank.
 
 My opinion and Im stick'en to it. ;D

So your suggestion would be to...............................

Shoot EPA  inspectors upon site. >:( 
The answer is there is no answer to the good/cheap/ legal engine of this type.
It is my opinion that it is pure fallicy to think that some western world person or group is going invest the time and money to design, cast, machine, and properly assemble and engine to western world standards, all the while dodging the EPA  AND do it for the sport of it financially,,, it just aint going to happen. Put some money into the equation for the people doing the work and some kind of return on the investment and you will quickly find out why they quit building them a Dursey. I think a person would be looking at $8000.00 engines minimum,  Put a living wage and insurance and EPA regulation into the equation and they could cost $15K or more given the limited market.  How short is the waiting line going to be for 15K 6/1 Listers? Going back to my post #1 it sure makes an Indian clone parts set, 2K and a couple weeks of my time an attractive option to an American built engine. Those that have not the skills, time or equipment to rebuild and Indian engine are SOL,,again,, in my opinionated (slightly) opinion
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Re: maybe we should make our own engines ?
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2011, 02:57:55 PM »
My gut tells me that by the time all is in  the Lister hungry will wish they had some some of those junky, sandy Indian engines to tear apart and make well :-\.  Ya'll aint goen to like the price of an American cast and machined engine sold in parts and pieces, take it to the bank.
 
 My opinion and Im stick'en to it. ;D

So your suggestion would be to...............................

Shoot EPA  inspectors upon site. >:(  
The answer is there is no answer to the good/cheap/ legal engine of this type.
It is my opinion that it is pure fallicy to think that some western world person or group is going invest the time and money to design, cast, machine, and properly assemble and engine to western world standards, all the while dodging the EPA  AND do it for the sport of it financially,,, it just aint going to happen. Put some money into the equation for the people doing the work and some kind of return on the investment and you will quickly find out why they quit building them a Dursey. I think a person would be looking at $8000.00 engines minimum,  Put a living wage and insurance and EPA regulation into the equation and they could cost $15K or more given the limited market.  How short is the waiting line going to be for 15K 6/1 Listers? Going back to my post #1 it sure makes an Indian clone parts set, 2K and a couple weeks of my time an attractive option to an American built engine. Those that have not the skills, time or equipment to rebuild and Indian engine are SOL,,again,, in my opinionated (slightly) opinion
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Re: maybe we should make our own engines ?
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2011, 04:44:23 PM »
He asked why not an American, or more properly Non-Indian built engine and took all the Indian made parts out of the equasion, "no Indian junk castings" That to me means making all parts in the western world to our standards or maybe using some NOS Lister parts to assemble and supply a ready to operate engine.  And to that question I offered my opinion.

 As to why you are taking my answer to his question as an attack upon your reply and intent to cast up a crankcase and weld up some flywheels and let people build their own finishing up with indian parts I have not a clue?  ???  

Perhaps It would have been better for you If I had been poster #2 instead of a half a page down and  under your reply?

You are correct in that I have no background in Mfg on a large scale however  I do run a machine shop part time and have more than a triffle of knowledge about that side of your deal. I also have dealt with custom made castings some of which are close enough in size and scope to use as a comparison and thus am fully aware of the total cost of a similar item designed, cast, machined and out the door,,, but what I have experianced is not to be argued here, I wish you well with your project and the proof as they say, will be in the pudding.

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Re: maybe we should make our own engines ?
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2011, 06:03:25 PM »
I guess you succeeded. I'll just keep the project to myself.
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Re: maybe we should make our own engines ?
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2011, 01:41:46 AM »
There was a divorce going on when he died. She has locked everything up. Even the kids cant get to the stuff. I am considering getting at least my computer out of the shop my means I can not say here. The designs are in catia V5.

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Re: maybe we should make our own engines ?
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2011, 02:45:29 AM »

Two reasons why (IMHO) these engines can't be made in America.

1] All American engine manufacturers must now comply with EPA regulations (very expensive process to get approval, $20,000 + per model). Not enough market volume to justify the cost.

2] An engine based on the Lister CS design would have to sell for $5000 to $6000 just to cover the cost of small production runs. Again, not enough market volume.

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Re: maybe we should make our own engines ?
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2011, 03:44:37 AM »
Well, I for one would love to see what you come up with Injin Man!

I do hope you continue to share info as you progress.  I respect that you're taking a stab at it, and thank you for being willing to try!

Thanks in advance,

Steve

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Re: maybe we should make our own engines ?
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2011, 11:06:11 AM »

I'm from TEXAS and I'm here to help ;D

Guys, never give up, once you internalize defeat by the Government it's
all over. Fortunately we only have 18mos of this stupidity from the Regulators.
I'm very polically active here and will do everything in my power to squash
the activists that are attempting to kill off small business.

I'm not building an engine either ::)   to be continued..................................