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Re: Something I found here
« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2010, 11:38:59 PM »
Gas-vise I'd prefer to use bio-gas, as there is plenty of horse manure around, and it just costs me money to get rid of it. The process itself is relatively simple, and quite effective.A biogas reactor can also digest kitchen waste and toilet "sludge". The end product is gas , water and good grade soil.

My problem with wood gas is that I don't really have simple access to wood, or pieces of wood in the amounts I'd need it, and at a price that's reasonable. I could of course ask around but most people around here burn up their "waste wood". I know one person who has a wood shop, but he's a genuine arse :D.


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Re: Something I found here
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2010, 10:19:40 AM »
I would be interested to hear about your biogas machine if you do make one as a friend of mine has a farm and I could get his waste for making gas.
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Re: Something I found here
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2010, 08:33:50 PM »
For what it costs buy a Chinese clone of a GX200 6.5 hp engine.

Use a 14cc head off 5.5 GX160 clone and real Honda GX160 piston ( Use the narrow ring T3 piston and cut down the skirt ).
port and polish. Add a set of Yahmaha 6hp rocker arms ( for more valve lift ) and advance the timing 6 deg.

Now you have a dirt cheap producer gas engine that can make around 3 or 4 hp at 2500 rpm.....

Clone engines are cheap producer gas is hard on them.
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Re: Something I found here
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2010, 08:36:21 PM »
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Re: Something I found here
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2010, 08:45:44 PM »
Doug: Yup that's the polish engine. I did ask for a quote but no answer yet :).

Also, regarding buying a Chinese engine, I'm not really sure I'd want to do that, because of shipment, vat, and customs. Also we have these spark plug fired low speed engines here, they are quite cheap and durable, and can burn gas as well. I might end up buying two engines to experiment with. Folks are telling me that these models are very durable, and reliable. They are the originals after all! :D

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Re: Something I found here
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2010, 03:33:17 AM »
These chinese Engines can be had for as little as 100 USD here in Canada

http://s426.photobucket.com/albums/pp344/Dougwp/clone%20stuff/?action=view&current=100_9809.jpg

They are as I understand everywhere, some even factory built to run on Kerosene.

The basic design is a Honda industrial engine so they are designed strong. I know guys that have reaised the compression on these to the point where they are defecto diesels and need to burn methanol. As a producer gas engine they are a wise choice because they can be modified so cheap and when they wear out there are all kinds of other Chinese clones on snow blowers, generators and utility equipment you can strip for parts.
This is a race engine but as built it would make an excellent producer motor with 12:1 compression and 4 deg advanced timing. On gasoline this can make 15 hp and on producer gas I expect it would make the 3 to 4 HP I mentioned earlier for a good long time or at least untill the ash and tar from the gas ground up the internal parts.
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Re: Something I found here
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2010, 12:20:58 AM »
Hmm, to be honest, I'm not very thrilled by these Chinese engines. Part of my interest for low RPM engines is , well the whole feeling :D. There are a lot of various small (similar to the one you show here) engines out on the used market here, they are rather cheap too! But the main reason I'm not buying one is ,that this isn't really what I want. Probably the simplest way for me would be to buy a complete diesel or gasoline fired genset, I could get one for a relatively low price (a couple hundred bucks for a complete 4-5 kW genset). But it wouldn't be the same as building my own :D.

Meanwhile , after some further digging, I found out, that the BL-7 would be the best choice for me. They are quite durable and reliable, and a bit more "modern" than the MIA/MIB types. I am in contact with a guy who would sell one, refurbished and in good condition (at least he tells me, I'll need to see that for myself). He's asking 280 USD for it. This engine can do 4.5-7.5 HP (850-1200 RPM). Unfortunately the parts supply is virtually non existent, so if something needs to be replaced it most probably has to be made.

Ah and a BIG suprise today! I found a Hungarian company that actually manufactures and sells (or just sells, not sure about that), gensets with , little pause....a lister engine! Yup! And that's not all, these systems are actually cogenerating, utilizing the waste heat as well!
It came as a bit of a shock, albeit a good one!
Here's an actual picture of their product:



I have allready contacted them about pricing. They also have a demonstration farm, which I plan to visit to take a look! I'll take photos of course :).

Ah and here's a link to a page dealing with this system of theirs, on their website. It's in Hungarian , but I think you'Ll understand most of it, let me know if not, I'll gladly translate!

http://cropell.hu/crofter.html
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Re: Something I found here
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2011, 07:58:11 PM »
So, Equine, it gone awfully quiet in this thread considering the very interesting link you posted! ;D

With your excellent English, perhaps you could give us a translation of that website since we know Hungarian is one of the most difficult languages!  ;)


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Re: Something I found here
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2011, 08:12:55 AM »
Hi, Equine, thank you for starting this thread, I enjoy watching these horizontal engines. I had once two narrow gauge industrial locomotives fitted with Deutz MAH 711 diesel engines. They were fun and I learned a lot, and I regret selling them, but I still would prefer a Lister for a CHP application. The Deutz engines were hard to start, they produced a lot of noise and spare parts were non-existent (at least at that time). Still, they were powerfull little machines, and I miss them much.

Keep those pictures coming, hope You find what you are looking for!

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Re: Something I found here
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2011, 01:23:37 PM »
Anybody see any hazards with the open shaft?





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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2011, 04:01:08 PM »
Anybody see any hazards with the open shaft?






Yeah, it would be easy to get "wrapped around the axle". Those needle bearing U joints wouldnt like the power pulses much. I have seen the damage by truck driveshafts that blew and they beat the living shoot out of everything within reach of the loose end of the shaft. It needs a substantial guard.

There is probably not much angularity of that driveline so not terribly important here, but the U joints are not properly phased.
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Re: Something I found here
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2011, 11:28:14 AM »
Hello , I am from Germany , new here and plan to build a Lister based CHP.

Thanks for all the interesting informations in this forum !

collect material for my project and also find ANDORIA .

for your information, if interested :

GW/AND/OF/2011/08/0046
Dear Mr. ...,
Thank you for your e-mail and your inquiry for our 1-cylinder Andoria Diesel Engines.
Please find below our current offer for S320/2, 
S320/2,       18 HP           1 614,00 EUR/pc
CONDITIONS:
- TERM OF DELIVERY: EX-WORKS ANDORIA FACTORY
- TERM OF REALIZATION: 6-8 WEEKS FROM ORDER CONFIRMATION
- TERM OF PAYMENT: 50% PREPAYMENT WITH ORDER CONFIRMATION AND 50% BEFORE DELIVERY
- THE OFFER IS VALID TILL: 15.09.2011
 
We hope that soon we will receive your response and that we can start our cooperation.
 
We are waiting your response
 
With Best Regards
 
Dorota
__________________________________
Dorota Harnas
Sales Specialist
Andoria - Mot Sp. z o.o.
 
office: +48 33 876 22 79
fax: +48 33 875 35 60
mobile: +48 512 422 909
e-mail: d.harnas@andoria-mot.com.pl

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Re: Something I found here
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2011, 02:27:07 PM »
There are lots of used Andoria / Andrychow single cylinder horizontal diesls forsale on www.allegro.pl, Polish equivalent to eBay.  I would consider one of those.

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Re: Something I found here
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2012, 07:06:25 PM »

this was the answer from Hungary :

Dear Mr.
Sorry for late response, I'm on holiday at this moment.

I will be happy to answer at the beginning of august.
Our gensets incl. 300L or 500L buffer tank with heat exchanger are from 4000 Euro (5kW) to 6000 Euro (15kW) exworks.
We can also offer with house battery (lithion) and inverter (sinus), incl. wind or solar, as a complete system.
We can offer also attached oil press technology to make oil and heating fuel.
We already installed ca. 30 system in Hungary.

Many thanks and best regards,

Ákos Ferencz
+36 20 20 79 299

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« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2012, 08:50:18 AM »
some additional notes from Hungary for the "Crofter" Lister CHP :

"Dear Mr.

Standard equipments are the following:

engine:
synchronous generator 1 or 3 phase 230 V or 380 V 50Hz (4kW is 1 phase 7,5 is 3 phase normally but we can alter)
12V starter motor
12V DC 80A generator
starter battery 75Ah
fuel preheating (not glow plug)
all installed on a base frame (800 mm wide) that can be lifted with a hydraulic jack or fork lift
isolated buffer tank is 300L for the single and 500L for the 2 cyl engines
kb 40L fuel tank is integrated in the water tank for maintaining temperature
exhaust heat exchanger is integrated
1 heat exchanger for fresh water or heating
engine and tank is connected via flexible pipes
flywheel guard

options (sorry I cannot give price for all extra options yet)

can be fitted with 24V system as starter and generator
2 tank system hand operated (almost no extra cost) or automatic
(remark with standard preheated fuel the engine starts easily from vegetable oil)
larger buffer tank or larger fuel tank (dependent on size)
extra heat exchanger (ca. 100 euro)
electrical heater (ca. 100 euro)

engine data:

indirect injection
steel idler gear
lubrication pump
cast piston (much easier to clean)

Up till now we only had mechanical trouble due to insufficient fuel (dirt or water in oil).

We can make grid feed type suitable for example for SMA (sunny or windy boy) inverter with ca. 500V Dc input.
Typically 2.5 kW/h back feed with a 6/1 engine in continuous operation.

We are also working on automatic start and stop.

In a special configuration we can set the engine for approx 150-200 rpm for battery battery charging only with ca. 40A continuous output.
In this case an inverter is needed to get the 230V

We can supply also the system equipped with LithIon (LIFePo4) batteries.
The smallest practical size is 160Ah
We use sinus inverters with toroid transformer (e.g 1000W is 16kg!) that are very robust.
These inverters are imported to Europe also by Us (not Chinese) and can be up to continuous 3kW (6kW max).



If You would have any question please do not hesitate to ask   

Ákos"

2012.01.12. 20:04 keltezéssel,