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Re: What is this Lister gen set type?
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2009, 11:02:15 PM »
Does atomizer mean injection pump ?  The rust and broken spring means it will need a rebuild at least and the same goes for the injector as it should spray from several holes not just jet from one point. Does also sound like the rings are stuck as the smoke from the crankcase is probably blowby.
Sounds like the engine has been standing idle for many years ?
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Re: What is this Lister gen set type?
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2009, 12:38:07 AM »
Tatu, if that engine plate is accurate, you have a 1937 3/1 - but that doesn't seem to fit with the flywheels, which are very similar to the start-o-matic type...


Engine's flywheels and plate is accurate, watch picture. Plant and dynamo number match too, but plant and engine number don't match ???


Then your engine is a 1937 model (as per here), but your base (and alternator, if its number matches) has had its original engine replaced - probably the old one got siezed, or maybe was swapped under warranty. The original engine number would have put it in mid 1936, the replacement is early 1937

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What is this injection pump piece mission? ??? More start fuel?


On manual start Listers, I believe that piece is movable to allow the rack to open further than it would normally. With Start-o-Matics - like your plant - it's fixed, probably because Lister figured it wasn't needed, or maybe the S-o-M cranks the engine faster than you'd manage manually?

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Engine not runnig yet, saturday eavning it almost running. It give lot of smoke, and run very very slow, but not take more speed. I open injecton atomizer. It was full of rust and spring is broken. How about injection nozzle, is there one or more hole? Fuel come out only one point and not spray. Engine's compression is very low too, maybe piston rings are jammed. Smoke come out too from crankcase.


I'm not sure about the nozzle, but the fuel should spray out rather than squirt out. If you're just getting a solid jet, then your injector needs refurbishing or replacing. As for smoke out of the crankcase & low compression, that surely does sound like a broken or stuck ring, or two.


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Re: What is this Lister gen set type?
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2009, 08:09:23 AM »
Does atomizer mean injection pump ? 
Sounds like the engine has been standing idle for many years ?

Sorry poor english again :-[ I try say injector(atomizer), not fuel pump. Is atomizer same like injection pump?

Engine's last running year is 1993.

How much is pressure, when injector start spraying?   

I send injector's picture later

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« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2009, 11:03:16 AM »
Atomizer would be a better description for the injector. Injection pump is an injection pump. I don't know if  a 3/1 uses the same injector but an 8/1 has a 90 BAR injector.
16 years of standing idle in the open could easily cause the problems that this engine seems to have , especially if the oil wasn't changed before it was taken out of service. If the engine had stopped with a valve open that would probably allow enough moisture into the cylinder to cause sticking rings. Injectors need routine servicing anyway , if this one had done many hours of running it was probably due for maintenance. What does the fuel filter look like ?  Did you change the oil ?  Also , there is a procedure for putting the engine back into service after a long period of none use , did you carry that out ? 
 
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Re: What is this Lister gen set type?
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2009, 12:36:16 PM »
I just send injector for workshop, which is specialized for diesel pumps and injectors. They say, att they can order spare parts and make it working, but it take time. I don't know yet, how much it's take money, maybe much :-[

Their manual say att injection pressure is 90 bar and they think att nozzle have only one spraying hole.


I change all fuels in fuel lines. Fuel filter including rusty too, but I clean it. Oils are changed too. 




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« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2009, 12:54:07 PM »
While you are waiting for the injector to return (I hope it isn't too expensive !!) you could do a little work which may help when you next attempt to start it. To help the rings which may be sticking , spray some penetrating oil  , like WD40 or similar , into the air intake , turn the engine slowly by hand for 10 revolutions or so then turn until the piston is around 2 CM below  top dead centre. Then spray a good amount of penetrating oil into the air intake and leave for a few days. This will help the rings to free off.
There is a procedure to follow before starting see this thread for information  :-

http://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=4479.0
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« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2009, 01:42:21 PM »

While I waiting injector, I must refurbisch electric parts, because engine is now my summer cottage. Full plant is so heavy, that I can't move yet on town. I have injector, switcboard and exhaustpipe with my home. I try determine switchboard and dynamo wiring, it is still mystery too..Fortunately I am electrician  ;D

Some day this Lister start still automatically, it is sure!



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« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2009, 01:51:04 PM »
That should keep you busy then !!  Just now I'm reconnecting the control boxes on a SOM and even with my electrical knowledge it's not easy !!
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« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2009, 06:22:47 PM »
And more pictures and questions :D

Fuel filter




Megnetic governor?




Switchboard. First A-meter is my uncle's battery charger, which he made on school 1970's. Maybe I must buy that charger  ;D




Switcboard behind




Could you say what this symbols mean?
D- A+ F SS B- ST ST B+ G MG L




Dynamo wiring, but how this connected on switcboard ???






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« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2009, 07:11:08 PM »
Change that fuel filter !! Second pic is the magnetic governor. Connections , wasn' t there a wiring diagram on that Elektronika site I gave you a link to ? 
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« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2009, 09:14:12 PM »
Connections , wasn' t there a wiring diagram on that Elektronika site I gave you a link to ? 

Wiring diagram was very much different and switchboard don't match.

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« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2009, 10:00:11 PM »
Ok , I'll try to find a diagram.
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Re: What is this Lister gen set type?
« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2009, 04:49:47 PM »
Hello again!


My Lister run 20.9.2009 first time, after 16 years. Short video clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-yD_MkbAK4

I must first take cylinder and piston out. All pistonrings are jammed and oil ring was broken. I change all new genuine Lister pistonrings and injector nozzle is too genuine CAV. Lister start very easy by hand start, electric start not work yet, wires are loose.

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Little bit smoke ;D




What is this part mission? When it works?





Next summer it will be start automatcally by electric.
Wiring diagram is still lost :-\


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« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2009, 06:04:32 PM »
Excellent work , well done !! Love that wooden shack !
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Re: What is this Lister gen set type?
« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2009, 05:01:34 PM »
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What is this part mission? When it works?

That is the electric operated compression changeover valve.

Here's the manual that you asked for.





















































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the same goes for the injector as it should spray from several holes not just jet from one point.


Just out of interest have you checked the injector in your lister engines to see if they spray from several holes as none of mine do.

Mick