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Heat rope
« on: February 01, 2009, 07:19:07 PM »
Well, my generator project has been pretty much on hold for a month, with temperatures as low as -30°F / -34°C in the last few weeks it became unbearable to work in my shop and too expensive to heat. I putter on it when its warm enough or when I don't mind running the oil fired space heater for hours. In the basement I'm trying to put together my electrical panel that will go on the wall behind my generator and I'm trying to decided on injector line heaters for running  WVO. I'll have to go with 120v/240v rope heaters for now since I don't have a 12v system in place yet. I've checked out McMaster's and other places but I'm unsure what to get. My local hardware store has the stuff to melt ice on the roof, would this get hot enough if it was in short lengths? McMaster's has some really small heating pads that could be placed on the injector without heating the whole line to +200°. I've already run some wvo in the engine blended with diesel or rug but with these temps I think I need some heaters. Thanks.
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Re: Heat rope
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2009, 11:09:32 PM »
Jens,

Can you provide a bit more information on the Omega units.?
Model number, contact information, etc....

I would like to get some of those line heaters also.


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Veggie
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Re: Heat rope
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2009, 11:16:51 PM »

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Re: Heat rope
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2009, 11:37:24 PM »
Found it !

Here's the Omega Canada website....

http://www.omega.ca/shop/pptsc.asp?ref=HTC

Jens, how did you get yours for $15 ?
Must have charmed the female customer service person ?  ;)

Cheers,
Veggie
« Last Edit: February 01, 2009, 11:39:27 PM by Veggiefuel »
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Re: Heat rope
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2009, 12:06:05 AM »
Jens,

I almost bought that heat rope after reading about it on an earlier post of yours.  One question, how do you control the temp?  Or do you?  Or do we even need to?   I want to just wrap it around the injector line for when running WMO.  Thanks.

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Re: Heat rope
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2009, 01:16:05 AM »

Thanks very much for sharing the test results Jens.
I think the heat rope would be very useful for us Changfa owners.
On my S195, the steel injector line running from the pump to the head is approx. 14" long and does not reside close enough to the head for good heat conduction.
I think the heat rope may be a good way to ensure the WVO is at 180f as it enters the injector.

I'll post my results once the system is hookedup and running.

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Re: Heat rope
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2009, 03:12:24 AM »
thanks, Jens.   sounds like you don't need the dimmer in the circuit.
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Re: Heat rope
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2009, 08:19:05 AM »
Jens - are you running that heater rope covered up, or open like it is in the pictures on the website/brochures?

Looking at the pictures, it strikes me that about 75% of the heat output is going to radiate to the surrounding air, but my guess is the instructions disallow you to cover them up to improve efficiency.... unfortunately, the "technical details" link on the UK website turned out to be just the brochure, with no extra info than the website.

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Heat Rope
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2009, 10:58:39 AM »
100 watts is just about perfect on my 6/1. I leave it on all the time I'm running WVO. I see 180-210°F on the injector nut with a 2000 watt load on the engine. I use Mcmaster #3641k23 heat rope on the HP line wrapped in flexible fiberglass silicone tape. I've heard several opinions on how much the injector heats the fuel and don't know the answer. The volume of fuel it contains compared with consumption will tell us how long the fuel is in there.

I have 50 watts on the WVO filter and a 75 watt heating pad under the 13 gallon WVO fuel tank. I need to turn the heating pad on at least 12 hrs ahead of time in cold weather.

My head stays clean for at least 300 hrs and even then it's pretty clean except for some build up on the intake valve which gets to close to the piston for me to be comfortable with. I mix 10% rug into my WVO.

I'm just about to tick over 2000 hrs on the engine, 3 megawatts on the kill-a-watt and thousands of gallons of cogen hot water delivered to the house.

Thanks, Geno
« Last Edit: February 02, 2009, 04:50:48 PM by Geno »

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Re: Heat Rope
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2009, 01:25:15 PM »
100 watts is just about perfect on my 6/1. I leave it on all the time I'm running WVO. I see 180-210°F on the injector nut with a 2000 watt load on the engine. I use Mcmaster #3641k23 heat rope on the HP line wrapped in flexible fiberglass tape.

Hello Geno

In the above quote you mention "flexible fiberglass tape" so my question is what is that stuff meant for and where can I buy it? ???

Thanks  Billswan
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10/1 OMEGA failed that nasty WMO ash ate it

By the way what is your cylinder index?

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Re: Heat Rope
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2009, 04:58:21 PM »
100 watts is just about perfect on my 6/1. I leave it on all the time I'm running WVO. I see 180-210°F on the injector nut with a 2000 watt load on the engine. I use Mcmaster #3641k23 heat rope on the HP line wrapped in flexible fiberglass tape.

Hello Geno

In the above quote you mention "flexible fiberglass tape" so my question is what is that stuff meant for and where can I buy it? ???

Thanks  Billswan


I meant to say silicone tape. My bad. I got mine off ebay but it's something like Mcmaster # 7643a79

Thanks, Geno

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Re: Heat rope
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2009, 05:10:48 PM »
"The instructions specifically state not to cross the rope or cover it up"

Yeah, that figures... Thanks for the info - come summer (not a good time to be testing cold-start abilities, I suppose...  ::)), I'll have a play with some line heater rope & veg oil, see what the outcome is...

Cheers!
Ade.


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Re: Heat rope
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2009, 10:11:30 PM »
My testing of the heat rope and what it does to temps shows similar results. The fuel gets plenty hot in the hp line. Logic does tell me the injector heats the fuel to its temp but that depends how long the fuel is in there. Ken Boak (yahoo groups, listercsog) made a post a good while back stating the fuel passes through the injector to fast to pick up any real heat. I don’t know the answer. Many of the veggie car guys swear by line heaters and for a 100 watts load I’ll keep mine on.

Side note: I use about the same wattage per cylinder on my 85 Benz 300d. At 65 mph/29 mpg the fuel consumption per cylinder is about the same as the roid. It also has an IDI chamber and the old style Bosch IP and injectors. The nozzles look almost identical but are not. The MB nozzles have a pre spray, which I would love in the roid. I only have 4k miles on WVO but it runs great. I did a lot of work on it this winter and hope to put a lot more miles on it this summer.

Thanks, Geno
« Last Edit: February 05, 2009, 11:48:09 PM by Geno »

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Re: Heat rope
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2009, 04:58:04 AM »
One thermodynamic principle of note here is that....
Heat is added to the WVO due to the substantial pressure increase in the injector line(s).
However, a cooling effect occurs during the rapid pressure drop when the oil is sprayed from the injector nozzle.
Heat added via conduction (eg: heat rope or close proximity to the engine block) allows for WVO temperatures over-and-above the norm.
Hence, heat ropes should make a considerable positive difference.

Cheers,
Veggie
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Re: Heat rope
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2009, 07:02:55 AM »
Heat is added to the WVO due to the substantial pressure increase in the injector line(s).

Please quantify and explain.

RAB