BS or not?

[Doug]

They say the Sum of Human knolege doubles every 6 months now ( I figuere I find hard to believe by how dumb we are as a species ). In the midle ages it took decades to make small advances because no one but the church and nobles could read and right.

Things become obscolete fast.

Have you noticed the kids even talk and fast and are animated?

I don't know what we can discover in the future to suply our energy needs, but I wonder if we have already discovered it and just don't aply it because the right people are simply not talking each other.
Do you rememebr the movie " The Formula " from the late 70's?
About a Catalyst developed by the Nazi's to make synthetic fuel from coal and the lengths people would go to protect the secrete....

I have the feeling we will see sythetic fuel made using a the FT process in my life but it will never be cheap or over untiy lol.

Doug

[JimB]

Whenever I see someone trying to raise money to build a device like this I am sceptical, but think how people must have felt hearing Tesla talk of his ideas, or people like Farraday. Just a few hundred years ago if you said you could move a thin peice of metal(a wire) past a magnet and create a force that could move something you would be thought of as a madman. By one person building on the findings of another it came to pass. The idea of a solar panel collecting the "rays" from the sun and doing work or making a force is not that different fom the concept of this "free energy". It may be that only research labs that will be able to make future discoveries, but I like to think that a group of like minded people on websites such as this can and will make many changes to the way that things can be done. I've already seen it in the WVO community where the knowledge changes and grows almost daily. I believe it was Newton who said, " If I have seen a little farther than others it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants"

[Doug]

I have to disagree....

A solar panle is fundimentaly different from a free energy machine.
It doesn't create energy from nothing it converts about 7% of the suns rays that strike the silicon wafers into electricity. Its a 7% efficient energy converter.
This guy proposes an over unity machine.
He means to say his machine is well over 100% efficient.
He means to say once started it will never need fuel and will produce power forever?

[JimB]

I totally agree that overunity and this free energy machine is BS. My point was that you can explain how that solar panel is only 7% efficient because you know all of the science behind it. In the future there may be ways to tap into another source of free energy that is a mystery right now. Thinking outside of the box is one way that discoveries such as these can be made.

[Quinnf]

Yes, but first, you have to know what's IN the box.

Quinn

[mobile_bob]

Box?

whut box?



bob g

[M61hops]

Actually I've never heard any inventer of an overunity machine claim it was "free" energy as such.  Most claim that their machine converts energy from another dimension into a form that is usable in this dimenison or is tapping into the magnetic field of the earth or the universe, or something like this.  This is not manifesting energy out of nothing but just tapping into an existing source, although one that is not understood yet.  I read about a guy a few years back who was refused a patent from the US because "perputal motion" machines can't be patented due to a long history of scams.  In his case everybody who tested his machine, including some big name universities, agreed that it did in fact produce more energy than it took to run it.  This is the definition of "perputial motion" as well as I suppose, "over unity machine".  It seems that Nicola Tesla had some really interesting machines that seemed to pull lots of usable power out of the air back in the early 1900's.  I'm sure that it is possible to supply our energy needs in a better manner than letting multi-national oil companies control our goverments.  After watching all the massive corruption that has ocurred in the US and UK goverments since 2000 I'd be surprised if many good technologies haven't been surpressed!  As far as the device that started this thread there wasn't enough information to make any judgement so I still gotta go with Mike 90045's take.      Leland

[LowGear]

Suppressed!  Ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha, ha ha and HA!

Give me a break.  I wish Charter Communications had been suppressed.  Please take a look at The Man in the White Suit.  It makes the assumption that sales are based on need and not on vanity. 

Another dimension?  Please see the first paragraph.  The only thing these guys are after is the cash register in the next (or one of) dimension.

Can you imagine someone saying you could make electricity from peanuts.  OK, the oil pressed out of ground peanuts.  OK, you explode the oil in a confined chamber which drives a piston downward and that energy is converted to a rotating shaft which then is hooked up to a magic box of rotating magnets and out comes electricity.  Please, please see the first paragraph.

Do you think they'll trade me some stock in their company for my stock in Charter Communications?

LowGear

[rcavictim]

  Please take a look at The Man in the White Suit.  It makes the assumption that sales are based on need and not on vanity. 

LowGear

If that was meant to be a hotlink it is not working.

[Doug]

Well you actulay can pull electricity from thin air in a couple of ways ....

A windmill.

A lighting rod.

And believe it or not tethers in orbit can produce a little power by cutting the earth magnetic field as they orbit.

But non of these things can extract energy from nothing or for that matter other " relms ".

I read about a theory in Quantum mechanics that says its possible to extract energy from a vacume but exactly  how we charge giant plates with " space energy " in a practical sence is nopthing I can understand.

And I doubt very much a collection of electric motor parts can do it like this fellow says.

[rcavictim]

But non of these things can extract energy from nothing or for that matter other " relms ".

Doug, All,

I mentioned earlier that the whole concept of how a permanent magnet 'works' has not been adequately explained by modern science AFAIC.  If these things weren't common and plentiful, if we had not grown up with them, imagine your response if someone made a claim that they had a solid bit of matter that had a 'magical' force that does what magnets do.  With my knowledge of science I would be extremely skeptical.  Wouldn't you?

Since we don't have an adequate explanation for the origin of this 'magical force', isn't it possible that a magnet is indeed a portal to another "realm"?

[Doug]

If magnets are the portal to another relm Someone build a door to Cuba because I'm sick and tired of snow lol.

Or maybe a portal to an alternive reality where my home is renovated and I don't have so many bills.

And while we are at it beautiful rich wife with all the patients of a saint ......

On second thought I'm happy with everything but the snow for now and free energy well I'll keep an open mind ( but not wallet )

[mobile_bob]

for those of you that want to believe

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2008/4/1/5058/71054

enjoy

bob g

[rbodell]

for those of you that want to believe

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2008/4/1/5058/71054

enjoy

bob g

Oh yeah, I am going to jump rite on that ... NOT

[rcavictim]

That photo looks like it was taken in my kitchen!