Remember Lee Iacocca?

[biobill]

Well said RC and Leyand.
 Our Governor (DEM) in NY just got caught paying for sex. Reprehensible and hypocritical to be sure, but compare the amount of press coverage nationwide to, shall we say, fabricating excuses to start a war for profit, or eviscarating the Bill of Rights. 
And which events have more serious long term consequences?

 With out a decentralized, independent, media, the general public is easily misled and distracted.     Bill 

[Stan]

Truer words never spoken Bill...The media has the power to make or break a politician. Culture also has something to do with it.   If the NY Governor had been a politician in France, the people would have yawned and wondered "was she cute?"
Stan

[M61hops]

Well, I checked out the website for the emporers club where these ladies came from and they are hot!!!  I read in the paper today that Spitzer spent $80,000 on sex with those women over the last several years; I wonder how he could afford that and hide the cost from his wife.  I spent a week in D.C. in about '88 or '89 visiting the Smithsonian everyday.  I was shocked at how many porno shops and massage parlors there were in our nations capatiol, those shops outnumbered any other!  If I was a family man taking my kids to see the place where our glorious leaders make the decisions that rule our lives I might have been a little nervous at what the kids thought.  I wondered why there were so many and who goes to them?  I was walking down a street back to my hotel one night when I happened to glance through a door into a basement and saw several beautiful women walking around and stopped to check this scene out.  A lady saw me staring and waved me to come in so I walked down a long sloping hall into this room with about a dozen beautiful young women wearing bikinis.  I asked one what the deal was and was told that I could pay $175 and go into a small bedroom with the lady of my choice where we would get naked and lay on the bed and watch a porno flick.  I would have the opportunity to purchase options from the naked lady on the bed with me while we enjoyed the movie, if the lady and I were so inclined.  I could use cash, check, money orders or any major credit card.  The credit card recipt would appear on my statement as food and beverages at the restaurant upstairs.  I was beginning to see how lobbyists might be able to entertain our law makers but since I had steam engines to look at the next mourning, I saved myself $600 and made a timely exit back to the sidewalk.  I'm still tempted to run for congress especially since the present guys have sold out the working class.  This Spitzer incident has me thinking about the NSA's wiretaping field of focus and the firing of those federal prosecuters who woulden't follow orders.  Back then I wondered how many public servants might be subject to blackmail.  Yeah, I know, I wonder waaaay too much??                                     Leland

[Stan]

 I think the thing to keep in mind just to keep the perspective on all of this sex industry thing is, it's not a new problem!
Stan

[rcavictim]

Anyone hear the financial news today about how the Carlisle Group is bust and has defaulted on some $16B in loan guarantees or somesuch?  That name was familiar so I did a Google and here is a interesting read for those of you who are blindly being led around by the present regeime`s smoke and mirrors dog and pony show.

http://www.sentienttimes.com/04/apr_may_04/bush_saud.html

[rbodell]

Anyone hear the financial news today about how the Carlisle Group is bust and has defaulted on some $16B in loan guarantees or somesuch?  That name was familiar so I did a Google and here is a interesting read for those of you who are blindly being led around by the present regeime`s smoke and mirrors dog and pony show.

http://www.sentienttimes.com/04/apr_may_04/bush_saud.html

It might mean more of it was a link to a reputable source. HINT: Prisonplanet.com and conspiracytheory.com are also not reputable sources, they are for adult fairy tales.

[rcavictim]

Anyone hear the financial news today about how the Carlisle Group is bust and has defaulted on some $16B in loan guarantees or somesuch?  That name was familiar so I did a Google and here is a interesting read for those of you who are blindly being led around by the present regeime`s smoke and mirrors dog and pony show.

http://www.sentienttimes.com/04/apr_may_04/bush_saud.html

It might mean more of it was a link to a reputable source. HINT: Prisonplanet.com and conspiracytheory.com are also not reputable sources, they are for adult fairy tales.

As I mentioned, the keyword was not new to me.  If you want other references to balk at there are many, easily found with any degree of `reputability` your heart might desire.  The author I quoted writes for New Yorker magazine.  If that seems like a tabloid rag then I think you look good, relaxed and enjoying the dog and pony show from your comfortable chair Bob.

Here is a place you can find a lot of truth the media isn`t allowed to cover.  www.freedocumentaries.org

Did you know CIA stands for Cou Instigation Agency?

[mkdutchman]

Freedocumentories.org looks pretty much like Fahrenheit911, and the related ilk (Does the 9/11-not-caused-by-terrorists myth on there look familiar? )

CIA, as far as I know, stands for Central Intelligence Agency

[rcavictim]

Freedocumentories.org looks pretty much like Fahrenheit911, and the related ilk (Does the 9/11-not-caused-by-terrorists myth on there look familiar? )

CIA, as far as I know, stands for Central Intelligence Agency

mkdutchman,

There is no doubt that 9-11 was planned and executed under direction of the most sinister and evil terrorists ever to work on American soil.  The 9-11 documentary does not dispute this.

It sounds like you should pull up a comfy chair next to Bob.  Sadly I fear Bob is going to have a lot of `successfully programmed` company.

[mkdutchman]

rcavictim,
There are plenty of Micheal Moore produced videos on that website, and in case you didn't notice, there is also at least one that disputes that 9/11 was caused by terrorists

And yes, I wouldn't mind sitting down and chatting with Bob. Didn't you ever notice that the crankiest old fogies can be the most interesting? 

I'll let you get back to the planet you came from now

[rbodell]

Anyone hear the financial news today about how the Carlisle Group is bust and has defaulted on some $16B in loan guarantees or somesuch?  That name was familiar so I did a Google and here is a interesting read for those of you who are blindly being led around by the present regeime`s smoke and mirrors dog and pony show.

http://www.sentienttimes.com/04/apr_may_04/bush_saud.html

It might mean more of it was a link to a reputable source. HINT: Prisonplanet.com and conspiracytheory.com are also not reputable sources, they are for adult fairy tales.

As I mentioned, the keyword was not new to me.  If you want other references to balk at there are many, easily found with any degree of `reputability` your heart might desire.  The author I quoted writes for New Yorker magazine.  If that seems like a tabloid rag then I think you look good, relaxed and enjoying the dog and pony show from your comfortable chair Bob.

Here is a place you can find a lot of truth the media isn`t allowed to cover.  www.freedocumentaries.org

Did you know CIA stands for Cou Instigation Agency?

Just because a writer writes for a reputable rag doesn't mean everything he writes is true. I would be more apt to beleive it if the New Yorker had printed the story. Obniously they did not and this was the only place that would print it.

Conspiracy theory sites take a smidgen of truth and twist in some half truths and lies to get a conspiracy theory.

I was listening to some guy named alex somebody on the shortwave radio the other day. He said that texas Police Officers wer going out and picking up 5 year olds off the street and taking them to sex orgies with government officials. There ain't no way you are going to have a half dozen 5 year old kids left wandering the streets at the same time and then they get picked up and tha parents do nto even report them missing. On top of that it is the police who are doing ti for the government officiasls. I don't think so. Nobody is going to tell me that there is not one honest police officer out there that would not make that public? The press feeds on very low and disppicable story it can find, They don't even wait till the whole story is out, why didn't they print that? The government is telling them not to !!! if that was true, why did the Blue dress story come out? Why wasn't spitzers story covered up.

It is pretty obvious why thay can't even buy time on the networks to put that stuff on tv and radio. The only difference between them and the other conspiracy heory sites is that the others try to make it just a little more beleivabel.

It doesn't take any brains to look at a website and see what the agenda is. There is planty of evil stuff going on in this and every other government. people are too buisy writing this crap.

[rcavictim]

There is a phenomenon where if you put a frog in a pot of cold water and then place the pot on a stove and gradually bring it to a boil the frog will never sense impending danger and jump out. He will stay in the hot water until he cooks to death.  It bothers me a lot when I see human frogs and get ridiculed for trying to point out that they are in some serious hot water.

Michael Moore brings some very interesting observations to the table to try to make you guys THINK.  His are not the only worthwhile films on the forum of which I spoke.  Bob, mkdutchman, YOUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE!!!!!  Put another way, you are my friends and I just wanna save some lives that I feel deserve saving. 

Bob, just because a website has an agenda does not make it a bad place.  Look at this forum.  Listerengines has an adgenda too!

When you are in a fire do you study and dispute the credentials of the messenger while you are choking on smoke, or do you run for your life?  Can`t any of you people smell the smoke yet?

BTW, better get into rapid Boy Scout mode and secure whatever you need ASAP.  There is a major stock market crash a commin` and there`s gonna be hard times ahead for many Americans who`s banking system seems to have started the ball rolling and it has really snowballed as they say.  Other countries will suffer badly also.

[Doug]

I thought CIA was the Completely Illeagal Agency 

CSIS isn't funny they just tap your phone call the PMO for a security certificate and a Mounty SWAT team ( on horse back ) drags you off........

[rbodell]

Bob, just because a website has an agenda does not make it a bad place.  Look at this forum.  Listerengines has an adgenda too!

I see you like twisting things and putting words in peoples moth. I beleive I said it didn't take any brains to see if a website had an agenda. Actualy a whole lot less brains that it takes to put words in peoples mouths.

Now see if you can grasp this, truth and fact can also be an agenda.

[rbodell]

There is a major stock market crash a commin`

What do you mean 'commin' ..... It's been heading straight down for some time now. The amount of money I have lost is starting to enter the 'stupid' area ...
I have already canceled my annual spring project which included a sound proof engine room for Thumper (20/2).

Jens

I never did like the stock market. Too many things can cuse you to loose a lot of money. I never been much of a gambeler. At least when you have a crash, you got no place to go but up. I made a nice tidy sum on the last two. Personally I am looking forward to this one. Don't worry though, as long as you got stock in a major corporation that can make it through, it will all come back. It aways does. When it does, I get out and wait for the next one. .