Zeitgeist movie

[dieseldave]

 
   Makes one want to fill a container full of Listeroids and ST Generators,and get them over here FAST! For when S**T hits the fan!

   The crop to plant for an energy source is 'INDUSTRIAL HEMP' 100 to 130 gallons of raw oil per acre. Pithy core is 77% cellulose to make alcohol.

[Doug]

You know the damb thing is just depressing ( I mean the movie and links posted ). I am not particularly offended by ferries and or the political fall out from saying rape seed.

All the Lister engines and oil seed in the world will not save you from humanities ability to find the  "inner stupid"  and look for the for the fastest most convenient way to piss away the great resources of the world.

 

[clytle374]

Sorry I didn't realize that canola is now canola seed, though it only became canola when it hit the store shelves.

 
   Makes one want to fill a container full of Listeroids and ST Generators,and get them over here FAST! For when S**T hits the fan!

   The crop to plant for an energy source is 'INDUSTRIAL HEMP' 100 to 130 gallons of raw oil per acre. Pithy core is 77% cellulose to make alcohol.

Are you sure?  I though it was about 25% of that.  But still like you said, alcohol, plus fabrics, plastics, feed.   

But there are currently too many troubles growing hemp, that may get fixed soon. 

I guess this is a decent part of my becoming active in politics, to reign(try real hard) in the federal goverment(USA) that seems to be out of control, if not rouge.  If everything falls apart form the top down, then most communities survived just fine before walmart and homedepot.  But if our the federal goverment,(USA) keeps running like it is there is no doubt we will end up bankrupt.  For some reason I can't imagine them making a bad situation any better. 

[captfred]

here's another nail, why don't we read anything about this in America's fair and balanced news.

type in "dollar vs euro oil" in a search engine, follow a few links or check this one out from The Hindu (Indian newspaper)

http://www.hinduonnet.com/op/2003/04/22/stories/2003042200070200.htm

Explains a bit.

Fred

[dieseldave]

  Dollar vs. Euro Oil.   Makes for interesting reading!

  Attention to everbody posting on this thread! STAY ALERT AND WATCH OUT FOR BLACK HELICOPTERS! 

[rpg52]

Re:  Dollar vs. Euro oil, Robt. Newman did a quite funny video on the History of Oil, in which he illustrates the effect of Saddam deciding to do oil exchanges in Euros vs. the dollar.
 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7374585792978336967&q=genre%3Acomedy

All this stuff is quite complex, and likely impossible to explain in any visual medium.  Pretty interesting anyway.  How the peak oil effects will shake out is impossible to say - the advice in the peak oil webpage is quite good though - to be found on the bottom of the last page.  #1, get out of debt, #2 take care of your health, etc., etc.  Good advice no matter what happens in the next decade.  Hope  your New Year is a good one.   
Ray

[mike90045]

 
   Makes one want to fill a container full of Listeroids and ST Generators,and get them over here FAST! For when S**T hits the fan!

   The crop to plant for an energy source is 'INDUSTRIAL HEMP' 100 to 130 gallons of raw oil per acre. Pithy core is 77% cellulose to make alcohol.

I'll call your Hemp, and raise to 200 gallons

"Jatropha is well able to yield as much as 1900 litres of diester per hectare (200 US gallons/acre), largely exceeding the capacity of rapeseed"  from Wikipedia.  Only slightly poisonous  ! 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatropha_curcas 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatropha_oil

[Stan]

Papers here in Ontario (no, just visiting) today are full of big wigs speculating about "peak oil".  No longer just the territory of acid soaked paranoid hippies I guess.

Stan

[Doug]

I decided to actualy start reading some of the facts behind this movie and followigbn link after link I stumbled across this pole by ABC news.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/US/views_of_bible_poll_040216.html

Religion doesn't scare me some of the nicest people I ever knew were deaply religious.
The invisable man that lives in the sky started loosing his power over me I guess around the age of 12. By my late teens I was reading Marx so that kind of closed my mind to the any literal belief in Gods.
The idea that a majority of Americans actualy believe this stuff is true scares me ( sock making machines, spiders, circus midgets with slavic names and some types of farm amchinery also frighten me so much for my credibility..... )

[oliver90owner]

Doug,

You can leave out the sockmachines!   Nearly all mine are older than the oldest CS.  That one shown by the link on this forum is a new manufacture machine but is really a copy of a machine from nearly one hundred years ago.  In my opinion, not even a very good copy as there are issues with the new machine which were not a problem with the original design (they got it right!).

Most of my machines (and I have about 30) date from the 1880s through to about the 1920s.  I do have one which, I believe, was a variant of an earlier design and made in WWII. 

You can drop weights on your toes, pinch and prick your fingers if not careful (you were responsible just for your own health and safety in those days!), but make nice comfy socks which actually fit your feet in a natural fibre if one so wishes.  They don't usually attack you unless you are touching them - then operator beware!

Cranking a sock machine is generally more easier than (hand) cranking a CS.  They were put onto line shaft operation as well so were more mechanised than one might think.

Regards, RAB

[rcavictim]

An example of what scares me is that we have a Minister in the Canadian Federal Government named Stockwell Day who is on public record as believing that man walked with the dynosaurs just a few thousand years ago.  I refer to this piece of work as `Dynosaur Boy`, to distinguish him from any sensible human being.  There are many agents of  S T U P I D  in all sorts of positions we have collectively assigned power.

[biobill]

Doug,
  Those numbers were a real eye opener for me. Had no idea they would be so high. With 61% of the (voting) public subscribing to the biblical version of creation, it will be hard to build a concensus on modern day problems based on FACTS. Speaks volumes on the gullibility of the masses. Perhaps the answers lie in something more mystic. If a religion, that worshiped the god "Petros" and made wasting his bountiful resources a sin, were to catch on, we might have an answer to Peak Oil      Bill

[cujet]

I have watched both the short and long versions of this movie.

I found it very interesting. But I also can find plenty of fault, untruths and outright lies in it. Not surprising, as they even claim that it is not truth!

For instance, they claim there was no debris from the airliner that crashed in PA. Yes there was! AND,,,, similar high speed, near vertical impacts leave quite similar remains. I inspected and F-4 Phantom crash years ago. All I could find was tiny bits of wire and small aluminum fragments. Where did the airplane go? How about Value Jet, straight down into the everglades? No debris found there either! Hmmmm.

You see my point, the movie has many truths in it, but some of what they say is fictional. How to know?

Even the bit on Christianity contains a bunch of disproven, manipulated information or outright lies. Does that make what they are saying totally untrue, no. But it does bring into question the credibility of the authors. The bit about December 25th has been totally disproven. Yet they state it as fact. Also Horus did not have anywhere near as many similarities to Jesus as they claim. Sure the epic of Gilgamesh and the Book of the Dead are similar. Plagerism, it sure looks like it. But the relationship of astrology??? Hmmm. Maybe yes, maybe no.

Chris

[rmchambers]

I guarantee if you dug deep enough in the Everglades you'd find a bunch of alodyned aluminum and wires and such large pieces like jet engines and landing gear isn't going to get torn apart as easily as the airframe would.  Same thing with Shanksville PA.   IF there was a plane there, there WOULD be enough material to find. 

That area in PA. was supposedly strip mined a while back so the earth is spongy so something with significant speed would penetrate it.  Matter doesn't just get destroyed by impact.  They "chose" not to dig it all up for whatever reason -

"It's the final resting place for all those poor souls on the flight"
"There's no plane there, so no use digging for it but don't tell anyone"

You don't have to believe every conspiracy theory out there but if you have an open mind, you can't help but think there's an awful lot about the "official" explanation that doesn't make a lot of sense.  "Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see" - I thought this was written by Mark Twain but apparently it's by Dinah Mulock Craik.

RC

[Doug]

If I walk around showing what I realy think and feel about the world on my face and told them what I think I know is the truth I would probably loose a lot of friends and respect. I might even get in trouble for saying what I think is the truth.....

So suck back those sour faces boys and get out there with you safest happiest Suburban Idiot smiles. It doesn't realy matter what is right is wrong in absolute terms, we know what wrong in our own little corner of the world so maybe its just better to prepare for what is most likely to happen and nod and wink to those who seem to already realize it.

There are many agents of  S T U P I D  in all sorts of positions we have collectively assigned power.
Stupid is as stupid does, he got elected a Minister, any other ministers around here today to argue Dorris Days POV?

If a religion, that worshiped the god "Petros" and made wasting his bountiful resources a sin, were to catch on, we might have an answer to Peak Oil.
Ah that God Petros has alot of worshipers, they all know waste is a sin but its kind of like the Catholics and that hole sex with a condom thing ( cause there are never too many people at the table ) and wasting oil is only a sin if you realy can't come up with a good reason to start the car.