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Dano

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Just got my first lister ???
« on: September 05, 2007, 09:27:13 PM »
Hey guys,  Just picked up a lister this weekend. I've been getting it claened up and I'm not sure how to start it.
It's a 4.6 hp 2500 watt.     It turns over ok but wont start,  Is there a primer?? And can any one tell me what year it is?
The motor # 11646LT1A29    I cant Wait to Really start playing with it ,I drive a diesel truck so anything that runs off diesel just makes my eyes light up.  The best part is I got it for free off A buddy of mine, It was his fathers back in the 70'S He used it as A contractor on his jobs. He said it hasent been started for A least 10 years.

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Re: Just got my first lister ???
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2007, 12:56:04 AM »
Hi What model are we talking about?
Since it has not been run in ten years start by cleaning the fuel tank. and lines.
Get a new fuel filter and bleed the lines to the fuel pump. The injecter needs to be pulled and squirt some oil in the cylinder. then bleed the injecter

Clean the oil sump and put in fresh oil. 30 weight will be all right for the first start.
Good luck
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Dano

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Re: Just got my first lister ???
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2007, 01:33:57 AM »
Thanks for replyiing.  Left it at my shop and I haven't memorized my model number yet.
Is there a primer that needs to be filled to start these?   I see a little plastic tube on top that looks like that would be what it's for. 
 Will post back tomorrow and maybe you can help me out a little on this.

John Bartley

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Re: Just got my first lister ???
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2007, 12:02:42 PM »
Based on your engine number, it's :

serial #11646 - model LT - 1 cylinder - counterclockwise - built 1981

cheers eh?

Dano

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Re: Just got my first lister ???
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2007, 05:02:09 PM »
Thanks John, I thought it might be older than that.  Wood that be conciderd A listeroid ? Or were they still making the listers in 81.
I'm Still trying to get it fired up, All I can get is A little Puff of smoke as I turn it over after I prime it. I just want to see if it will fire up one time befor put A lot of time and money in my new toy. :-\

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Re: Just got my first lister ???
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2007, 08:10:52 PM »
Does it say "Dursley England" on it anywhere?  Then it is a Lister.  "Listeroid" is the term used to describe a clone not originally made by Lister in Dursley England. 

When you say "primed" what exactly do you mean?  The symptom you describe(little puff of smoke) sounds like not enough fuel is being injected.  This can be caused by a few things. 

1.  There is still a little air in the high pressure line between injector pump and injector.  All the air needs to be bled out of this line.  the injector fires by hydraulic pressure from the pump. That is why the line from pump to injector is steel as it must resist flex/expansion under pressure.  The pump makes pressure as it strokes.  Once the pressure rises above the popet release point in the injector, the injector fires and sprays untill the pressure from the pump drops below the injector reset point near the end of the pump stroke.  If there is air in this line, it will compress and absorb/delay the pressure buildup from the pump just like a spring being compressed.  This will delay the opening of the injector(or inhibit it completely) and reduce the spray duration and fuel delivered for a given rack position.

2.  Rack(throttle) closed.  Throttle position should be at a high setting to insure high fuel delivery at start, quicky reduced by hand or governor to prevent engine overspeed.

3. Fuel pump worn.  Insufficient pressure/duration would be like having air in the HP line.

4. Injector worn or dirty and not delivering a fine atomizing mist spray into the cylinder.  The compression temperature ignites an air/fuel mix.  If it is just dumping the fuel into the cylinder, it is not mixing very well and will have a hard time igniting(same slobber symptoms as #6 below though).

5. Injector timing could be off.  If not at the right time, it won't fire correctly(same slober as #6).

6. low compression.  A cold combustion temperature caused by low compression could contribute to a failure to start and only make a little smoke.  But where there is smoke there is usually fire so if this was from low compression, you would also start seeing unburnt fuel slobbering out the exhaust after you try and start it repeatedly.  If you are delivering adequate fuel for start and it is not being burnt, it will find it's way out the exhaust and down past the rings into the motor oil.

Given that you see smoke, I would work on fuel delivery first.  There should be a fitting where the HP line attaches to the injector.  Loosening this with a rag underneath while you crank the engine/stroke the pump at full rack/throttle should purge most all the air from pump and HP line.  It shoud also be relatively easy to pull the injector from the head, attach it to it's fuel line(purge air) and get it to spray outside the engine to observe the spray pattern(or lack of).  If you have a good visible mark on the flywheel to mark TDC, you may also be able to gauge the spray timing to the piston position.  It should occur before TDC so the spray is spread out and mixed with the air prior to the internal compression temp reaching it's peak.

Ron
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Re: Just got my first lister ???
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2007, 09:27:40 PM »
Dano,

Good explanation from Ron.
Just one main  point - safety.  Make sure the nozzle, if removed from the head, does not spray toward anyone.  The spray is/was at such a high pressure that the atomised fuel  can easily be injected through skin, with serious consequences.

Other items which may prevent proper running is a blocked fuel filter, leaking valves (compression) and wrong valve clearance.

You should be able to hear the injector when it 'pops' and injects (as a squeak or creak) and see (from flywheel position) whether it is near time.

Hope this helps.

Regards, RAB

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Re: Just got my first lister ???
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2007, 10:58:41 PM »
"WOW" thanks for all the great info, Just pulled the hp line and no fuel. Looks like I'm gonna have to take this baby apart.
Just loaded her on the truck, Cant get anay thing done while I'm at work. Not that I do much  any way bud its hard to deal with customers smelling like deisel. I'll  keep ya posted.

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Re: Just got my first lister ???
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2007, 07:36:35 AM »
Whoa! Go steady! check simple things like 'is there fuel in the tank?'  before tearing into for a major rebuild!

It may only need a couple of bleed points loosening to get the fuel system working.  Mine had a stuck pumping head, but the rest was OK.  Don't make too many changes at once or you may not know which operation is now causing the headache, or which fix actually improved it.  All useful info for gaining experience (the mistakes as well, I'm meaning :)).

Regards, RAB

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Re: Just got my first lister ???
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2007, 03:43:07 PM »
What fuel tank ? I thought these things ran on air( Ha Ha )

No, I'm not going to tear the thing apart, I'll start with the fuel system first. I'll pull the lines and clean every thing up, make sure the  fuel pump is operating and go from there.  The good news is I talked to my buddy that gave it to me and he said it's only been five years the last time he had it running :)    I'll keep ya up on the progress, I should have some time this weekend .

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Re: Just got my first lister ???
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2007, 10:06:32 PM »
Well I got here perrrrrrrring like a kitten, Well maybe a sick cat. ran it for one hour no load then a nother hour with a 1500 watt base heater pluged in. Seemed to do well, I'm not sure how to test the RPM that should be 1800 at 105 volts .  I do have the 105 volts so I would say it should be there. I was very impresed on how little fuel it burnd, not like my gas one you need to hook up to tanker truck. This thing can run all day on that little tank.

So after I got it going I bought some gungk and cleaned here up nice and pretty, Now some good paint and it'll look brand new.

I want to thank every one for the help, I would have been real lost on this one,  I love the smell of diesel fuel in the morning I just dont know much about working on them. Butt as far as I can tell they work kind of simple with out all the electronics stuff.

Will keep ya posted, Maybe I can post some pics.