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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2007, 02:01:07 PM »
I try to be middle of the road but stuff that the government has been doing lately has gotten me a lot more skeptical lately.

The basic idea behind the EPA is sound - protect the environment because that's where we live - where I have issues with it is they *choose* to go after the piddly stuff that doesn't amount to much and blatantly ignore the major polluters who refuse to clean up their act because any emissions control on their fly ash, or soot, or what have you cuts into their profits.

The whole idea behind trading pollution credits?  what the hell!  There shouldn't be a market in being allowed to pollute more if you buy credits from some company that pollutes less.  Where's the incentive to clean up.

The FDA - good idea in theory - keep harmful drugs/devices out of the hands of consumers - till the pharmaceutical lobbies throw money to get their way and lawsuits when they don't.  You wind up with poorly tested drugs coming to market and people dying of heart attacks because they have arthritis.

Homeland security?  biggest boondoggle in history.  I don't think we are any safer now than we were pre 9/11.  The only difference nowadays is that passengers in planes have a different mind-set.  In the olden days if a plane got hijacked the common theme would be "ok, everyone take it easy, we will land somewhere, negotiate, eventually we get out alive"  after 9/11 people *know* the hijacking is not the end result the lawn-dart of the plane into a building is.  If you're gonna die in the plane you might as well do it trying to regain control if it even gets that far.

The major problem with these agencies is that the heads of them are political appointees rather than subject matter experts and depending on who is in the whitehouse decides who runs the agencies.  If a tree-hugger is in the house then every puff of smoke is a violation, if an oil man is in the house then the more smoke the better.  It's just not a good way to keep a consistent even tack.

ok where was I?  oh yeah.. EPA.  I'm thinking if I maintain a grid connection (which I fully expect to do) then that means my future diesel generator is "emergency use" and that's an exemption.  I have to test it to ensure it will work when called upon, I could test it every couple of days for my peace of mind.  If it's not making loads of noise and smoke who is going to be any the wiser.

In the event of an extended power failure when I have lights and my neighbors don't - am I going to be laughing and basking in the warmth and light I have provided myself?  no, I'd invite them over or in the case of my closest neighbors might run them an extension cord to at least keep their fridge going.  I have neighbors close by, I like them all and we all get along well.

Robert

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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2007, 04:59:18 PM »
i finished posting here last night, went to bed and checked nw news for the weather report

we were getting hit again with snow, and freezing temps, (i know nothing new to most of you)
traffic stalled all over the area, people flewing their cars on foot
and at the bottom of the screen

Global warming has already altered our climate in the northwest!....... blah blah blah

maybe it has, maybe it hasn't ,,, but those in control say it has.... and they make the friggin rules, and enforce the law.

we heard it with katrina,, i am sure the midwest is talking about it with the blizzards...

got to thinking last night about the old saying

if at 20 you arent a liberal democrat ,,, you have not heart
if at 30 you arent a conservative republican ,, you have no brain

i would add the following
at 40 , you are too busy working to pay taxes and raise kids to much care
at 50, the kids are leaving and you become distrustful of goverment
at 60 plus,  you become an anarchist , (right jack?)

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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2007, 04:15:35 PM »
Well Bob:

If this wiered weathger is global warming.....

And I only had enough snow to cover the dog poop for photos before it melted
I just checked my gas bil :) burn more coal

if at 20 you arent a liberal democrat ,,, you have not heart
if at 30 you arent a conservative republican ,, you have no brain

i would add the following
at 40 , you are too busy working to pay taxes and raise kids to much care
at 50, the kids are leaving and you become distrustful of goverment
at 60 plus,  you become an anarchist , (right jack?)

In the 80s I waffled between a red Tory and and a pro buisness liberal.

Then the 90s took everything from me.

When your bellies empty and can't find a place to live you get real angery. Had I found an angery mob of socialists to join I would have started tearing bricks out of Queens park and throwing them at cops.
Now I've moderated considerably, but I still blame free trade, goverment and big buisness for making me defacto homeless in a country with every resource we need and no reason import anything we could make ourselves.

Doug


EPA boo blah blah.
CEPA stinks

Scotch is too expensive......

If the bottom falls out ( And I assume it will ), I won't be hungery or homeless I have a plan.

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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2007, 07:28:52 PM »
Doug:

please don't misunderstand me, the world as we know it is not going to come to an end, but

a correction is long overdue :)

and yes as an american i by nature am a bit on the independant side.

and no i don't like or trust government.
their function is to provide for national defense and perhaps a handful of other functions

the problem as i see it is congress and all the lobby guys, all trying to make a name for themselves, and legislating all sorts of stuff that
infringe on ones freedom in one way or another.

but i digress :)

you also must consider the lawyers in this country, there are simply too damn many of them and they are hungry for not only money
but power, press and position.

pick a hundred of them, an i will bet another c note that 5 of them actively look for stuff like these listeroids to make hay about.

add to that the whole tree hugger, politically correct, ultra liberal group, that would have us belief a child=bug, both having equal right to clean air.

heaven help us all if one of the latter come upon a dead sparrow outside a listeroid shack. 

perhaps canada is different in many regards, but i used to know my country, and it is rapidly becoming something i don't recognize.

no the world is not coming to an end, just going to be different, at least my world is going to be different.

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Bob;  I think you're looking more in the right direction than the others who commented, but I would go futher. If those in charge get what they want, none of us will recognize the world, much less our own country. They have already totally trashed the Bill of Rights, yet no one in congerss spoke up, and to trash it was treason - think about it.   Rod

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« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2007, 01:21:36 AM »
I've got a shotgun and a rifle and a 4 wheel drive, and a country boy can survive.

I live in surburbia now(but not for much longer).  I keep 3 months food and necessities in a closet.   I buy ammunition in 1000 round lots.  Am I a paranoid survivalist?  Mabe, but if the big push comes I can keep my head down, defend myself if needed, and survive long enough for things to level out.  I really hope all this doomsday stuff never happens.  But the world is really getting to be a crazy place.  I'm going to hide out on my mountaintop and try to be invisible.

 ps.  pretty good scotch can be made in the barn.  If you cant get peat, use corncobs.
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« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2007, 11:49:49 PM »
One only needs to remember the real hardships people suffered in the 1930's depression era or those in Nazi occupied Eroupe. Even under rotten condiotions like that people went on ahead with life. They didn't run and hide in the hills ( most any way ) they stayed put in communities and made the best of things

Like will go on after peak oil and the EPA ( Actauly I think one will cover the other ). Govenernts change citties change, people change, change eventualy gets changed ( but I did find a 1939 penny in my coffee change this morning ).
Change is generaly good, but they said the same things about a lot of things. Only time will tell if the big changes coming are for the best.....

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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2007, 01:48:09 AM »
I've got a shotgun and a rifle and a 4 wheel drive, and a country boy can survive.

I live in surburbia now(but not for much longer).  I keep 3 months food and necessities in a closet.   I buy ammunition in 1000 round lots.  Am I a paranoid survivalist?  Mabe, but if the big push comes I can keep my head down, defend myself if needed, and survive long enough for things to level out.  I really hope all this doomsday stuff never happens.  But the world is really getting to be a crazy place.  I'm going to hide out on my mountaintop and try to be invisible.

 ps.  pretty good scotch can be made in the barn.  If you cant get peat, use corncobs.
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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2007, 03:48:29 AM »
I figured out the sky wasn't falling a LONG time ago.

  And I believe it's about time for the climate to change.  Hurry up warmer climate.  That means the jackpine 'deserts' of N. Canada can supply weat and the N. Ogalla Aquifer can be tapped for soybeans and corn.  Life will be good, pork will be cheap, and the coastal marshes will be flushing the industrial goo out to sea....eddying around skyscrapers...

......and these SAME idiots, making millions off media hysteria, can't forecast the weather for next week-end!!   Gimme a break!

What we SEE is WEATHER.   What rocks RECORD is climate.
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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2007, 02:44:27 PM »
in ancient times when mother nature did stuff man could not understand he blamed himself, and sactrificed either another man or animal
or did some other crazy thing

skip forward to present

mother nature does stuff that man still does not understand, and just like his ancient ancestors, he blames himself and starts to sacrifice and do
some other crazy things

skip forward another few thousand years, man will look back on the two former groups and wonder why we didn't die, being how we were obviously too
stupid to breathe.

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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2007, 02:51:17 PM »
add to that the follow the money thing

ancient man had shaman's, medicine men, and elders who were all to ready to show the tribesman the err of their ways when mother nature did
bad stuff, of course for position, power and of course monetary gain.

today we have politicians, scientists, schools of higher learning, who coincidently happen to also be all to quick to show the unwashed masses their
responcibilty for what mother nature decides to do., of course for position, power, and monetary gain as well.

in another 3 thousand years, the earth will still be doing weird stuff, and there will be some group that will either be shaman or politician, medicine man or scientlst, or
elder or educator who will be ready willng and able to step up and part a fool with his money, gain power, or position.

funny how things like history continue to repeat itself

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« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2007, 02:54:20 PM »
Bob--

EXACTLY RIGHT!!

Back to my analogy:   Six billion people are just as consequential to earth as six thousand ants on a cruise ship....and have the same control over the thermostat as they do the steering.
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« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2007, 05:24:32 PM »
Well, if the planet is the warmest its been in the last 5000 years.  What caused it 5000 years ago??
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« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2007, 10:54:58 PM »
Well, if the planet is the warmest its been in the last 5000 years. What caused it 5000 years ago??

5000 years ago?  That's easy...it's George Bush's fault... ::)

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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2007, 12:35:52 AM »
Bob, we're not as far removed from "ancient man" as you think.  Last October when we were in Selcuk, Turkey, the brother of the guy we were staying with came to visit from Australia.  He has made lots of money there and as a present gave his brother a brand new 9 passenger Mercedes Van with ALL the bells and whistles.  This is one luxurious machine in any man's book.  Anyway, we were invited to the celebration.  I happened to notice a lamb tied up in the front yard.  When I asked what it was I was told it was the sacrifice to the luck of the new car!  They were dead serious, whenever someone buys a new car they invite the neighbors around and have a party, sacrificing a lamb which is then barbacued for the party.

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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2007, 12:54:14 AM »
my point was not that we are far removed from ancient man, but rather no different than he.

it has been widely reported by the genetic's group that man is no different today than he was 10,000 years ago, genetically.

my point is
the average man today is just as susseptiple(sp, did i murder that word or what?)  to what he is being told by so called experts as he was 10,000 years ago, what the expert is called is the only thing that has changed.
The mechanic's of deception never change.

and my bet is in another 5 thousand years if man is still alive, he will be duped by those he has put on a pedestal, same as yesterday and today.

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