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wrightkiller

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Re: engine mounting v 4.0
« Reply #180 on: January 11, 2007, 02:14:25 AM »
so why do you think it's a 6/1/Tim??
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Re: engine mounting v 4.0
« Reply #181 on: January 11, 2007, 02:20:41 AM »
It has the spoke wheels .  the 8/1 has 3 cutouts in the wheels, also its running close to 650 rpm .

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Re: engine mounting v 4.0
« Reply #182 on: January 11, 2007, 02:31:45 AM »
mobile_bob,
This entire mounting theory is what I went through when building my diesel motorcycle and when anchoring the 6/1. Here are a couple of video clips of a one lunger in a cradle type mount that I believe illustrates your point as I understand it both now and back then.... I hope these will help.

http://www.diesel-bike.com/Diesel_Bike/farymann.avi
http://www.diesel-bike.com/Diesel_Bike/farymann2.avi

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Re: engine mounting v 4.0
« Reply #183 on: January 11, 2007, 02:45:09 AM »
Duh:

while your clips illustrate the idea , clearly this is not exactly what i had in mind for a lister in that i would mount the cradle to dampen the rocking motion, but

one can see that the rocking motion is constrained as it relates to the crankshaft, the crankshaft in a proper implimentation is the center of the rocking component
and is stable and does not move.

with a well balanced engine the up and down movement is mitigated, leaving one to only have to deal with damping the rocking motion (component)

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Re: engine mounting v 4.0
« Reply #185 on: January 11, 2007, 03:19:43 AM »
the 8/1, 10/1 and the 14/1 all look to be the same picture of some engine, i don't think we can assume they all have the spoked wheels
as a matter of personal thinking i would be surprised if the 10 and 14 hp engines had spoked wheels

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Re: engine mounting v 4.0
« Reply #186 on: January 11, 2007, 03:52:22 AM »
    12/2                                                   

http://volvoxengineering.com/GensetsSlow.htm


12/1 at volvox
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Re: engine mounting v 4.0
« Reply #187 on: January 11, 2007, 02:31:03 PM »
Its a start ain't it?

Some engines can't even run at idle like this.
Some like Gus ( also a Powerline product ) aren't even fit to run at all.....

Doug

But it is nothing new.  In the last few years we have seen videos of the same thing being done by owners, some before and some after balancing.

As you hinted at earlier until this kind of balance becomes the standard, all this is, is one more video of an engine that is for some reason or other balanced better the most. :)
Could be some grunt was told to go startup every engine in the shop and bring the best one to the clean room to be filmed.  That would be the old Chinese style of quality control, build a shit load of parts and sort out the good ones.

My engines are getting bolted to a big rigid block regardless.  A resiliently mounted engine is useless if you want to use it to power something that is not also mounted to the same sub frame as the engine, like an overhead line shaft.
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Re: engine mounting v 4.0
« Reply #188 on: January 11, 2007, 07:18:34 PM »
It has the spoke wheels .  the 8/1 has 3 cutouts in the wheels, also its running close to 650 rpm .

tim

I agree....the 12/2 shares the same flywheels as the 6/1 only one is keyed 180deg off. All of the larger HP Listeroids are internaly balanced so no external counterweight is needed and they are rated at higher RPM's.
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Re: engine mounting v 4.0
« Reply #189 on: January 12, 2007, 02:17:59 AM »
The 6/1 12/2 share the same flywheels ,the 8/1 16/2 share the same flywheels ,the 10/1 20/2 share the same flywheels . My flywheel broke on my 6/1 12 -7-06 with 3615 hours,took one off of my 12/2 it is now on my 6/1 same flywheels . The 6/1 12/2 are spoke 650 rpm the 8/1 16/1 are solid with 3 cutouts and run at 850 rpm, the 10/1/1 20/2 are solid with 4 large holes and run at 1000rpm not sure what dia, the 8/1 16/2 are. Also have a 10/1.

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Re: engine mounting v 4.0
« Reply #190 on: January 12, 2007, 02:56:11 AM »
The 6/1 12/2 share the same flywheels ,
tim
Tim,
Take a look at your 12/2 for me. Either it has one Flywheel  keyed 180 deg. off from the counter weight or the cranks  keyways are 180 deg off...which do they do? I don't own one yet.:)
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This 12/1 the keways are inline and one flywheel is keyed off 180degs.....you must have grabbed the correct one or it would have been a real jumper!

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Re: engine mounting v 4.0
« Reply #191 on: January 12, 2007, 03:03:50 AM »
Wrightkiller's pics shows a staggered keyways.  That would make sense, otherwise somebody is SURE to reverse them.
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Re: engine mounting v 4.0
« Reply #192 on: January 12, 2007, 03:14:25 AM »
Hotator,
Do we see the same thing? It appears the crank keyways are inline and one of the flywheels is keyed 180 off...if you swapped them ...........big jumper! Or I'm not see it correctly which is quite possible
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Re: engine mounting v 4.0
« Reply #193 on: January 12, 2007, 03:22:40 AM »
Dave
I took it off the same side,it was the starting side wheel that broke. Didn,t make any difference in balance. Still as smooth as before
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Re: engine mounting v 4.0
« Reply #194 on: January 12, 2007, 03:29:05 AM »
Dave--

I've blown it up until the pixels look like a concrete block wall....looks to me the keyways are up on one side and down on the other.
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