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Re: The Brand Roundup
« Reply #45 on: February 15, 2006, 06:09:54 AM »
While I don't presume to speak for George at Utterpower, I don't think he now has the same opinion of Aswamegh as he had when he wrote that piece.  That was written before he discovered the problems with their gear train.  The rest of the engine is strong, but they really did cheap out on the gears, resulting in a probable failure rate in excess of 25%.  That appears to have been solved with the retrofitting of the bronze idler but quite frankly it should not have happened in the first place. 

No doubt his views changed.  After all he's selling the Powerline/JKSon line now.  I didn't mean that he endorses Ashwamegh.

Incidentally I've heard, but have not confirmed, that Ashwamegh has corrected the gear stamp problem.

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« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2006, 01:27:02 PM »
Think of the Utterpower web site as a collection of engineering notes or for that matter a diary.  It stretches over a period of a number of years…in that
time products/ opinions/ techniques and ideas change.  Lessons learned and improvements are all there but not necessarily in the nice orderly fashion one would like.   There is a tremendous amount of detail on the site but you have to read it all and figure out the time line on it.  For a retired guy it appears George is extremely busy.  That he freely gives of his knowledge and posts the benefit of his experience is plenty enough to ask of him. Expecting all that info to be carefully indexed is a bit much…..

On the stamped timing mark on the gears…there is further detail on that… suggesting that gear material and the stamp marks were contributing factors.
As to the bronze replacement gear…I know its there…but could not find it…keep looking….


George sells a particular product because it meets his current opinion of it ...he does not have a glowing opinion of it because he sells it.  He’ll drop any product that does not meet expectation and move on to a better one…. all in the interest of continuous improvement…..

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« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2006, 04:47:46 PM »
Greetings,

Just discovered this site and am ecstatically happy. This site is a tremendous resource.

Two years ago I purchased a FuKing 6-1 from George, along with a 5kw st gen head.  Overall, I am as happy as the proverbial pig in a mudhole.  It was not exactly plug and play though...

I had some light vertical scoring of the cylinder walls, and sand stuck all over the place.  I did a complete tear down (except for removing the flywheels/crank) and spent many tedious hours removing sand.  A vibrating engraver makes an excellent tool for that by the way.

Once re-assembled, the rings wouldn't seat properly and/or the cylinder walls were too scored.  Oil consuption was pretty bad.  Another tear down, honed the cylinder walls, George got me a new set of Indian rings at cost, and everything turned out peachy.  Oil consumption is down to zero between 250 hour oil changes.  Presently have about 1,500 hours on the machine.

I have a cogen setup that is pretty successful, which I will likely describe in detail as time allows, and under the proper heading.  Oh yes, it's in the basement and my wife is a saint! ;D

Finest finest regards,

troy

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Re: The Brand Roundup
« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2006, 06:41:12 PM »
As Joe alluded to, the concensus now is that the stamping on the idlers is a bit of a red herring.....It seems that the major problem with the gears (and I had both the idler and the cam gear fail in my Aswamegh 25) is poor casting AND using less than enough material.  From what I have seen the stamping may cause the gear to fail sooner rather than later, but with such a poor castings they are doomed to failure regardless. 
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Re: The Brand Roundup
« Reply #49 on: February 16, 2006, 07:19:10 PM »
As Joe alluded to, the concensus now is that the stamping on the idlers is a bit of a red herring.....It seems that the major problem with the gears (and I had both the idler and the cam gear fail in my Aswamegh 25) is poor casting AND using less than enough material.  From what I have seen the stamping may cause the gear to fail sooner rather than later, but with such a poor castings they are doomed to failure regardless. 

I did not know that.  If I can ascertain the quality of my new Ashwamegh 6/1 gears I'll let you all know.

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« Reply #50 on: February 16, 2006, 10:37:32 PM »
It is possible that the newer Ashwamegh gears are better - they have certainly received enough complaints about the old ones!
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« Reply #51 on: February 19, 2006, 06:06:59 AM »
Bruce, for gears, go here:

http://www.utterpower.com/listeroid_timing_gears.htm

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« Reply #52 on: February 28, 2006, 10:43:23 PM »
PS Listeroid 6/1, 5 kW ST, Detroit Diesel 3-71, Belsaw sawmill, 12 kW ST head, '71 GMC 3/4 T, '79 GMC 1T, '59 IH T-340

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« Reply #53 on: February 28, 2006, 11:31:32 PM »
I love these places that can only come up with an illustration of thier products.

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Re: The Brand Roundup
« Reply #54 on: March 01, 2006, 05:08:28 AM »
As Joe alluded to, the concensus now is that the stamping on the idlers is a bit of a red herring.....It seems that the major problem with the gears (and I had both the idler and the cam gear fail in my Aswamegh 25) is poor casting AND using less than enough material.  From what I have seen the stamping may cause the gear to fail sooner rather than later, but with such a poor castings they are doomed to failure regardless. 

I looked at the Ashwamegh 6/1 idler gear.  There's no stamp on it.  The timing mark is painted on.  I don't know what to look for otherwise in terms of quality.
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« Reply #55 on: March 17, 2006, 06:40:56 PM »
List,
I have gone to the various manufacturer's websites listed in Procrustes list and tried to compile similar specifications for the various labels.  The websites vary tremendously from a fuzzy "photo" of an old lister illustration to excessively complete lists about variously useless specifications.  (How much does anyone care about the volume of the shipping box in cc's?) 

Some provide a lot of useful information, one provided a table of numbers with no labels as to what the numbers meant!  None of them talk about sand in the sump.  Some mention balance.  It seems that the bore and stroke imply the degree of standardization between engines, which I thought might be useful.  A few use the same piston and con rod in all their engines, others only vary the piston.  A few change both.  The dimensions of the foundation bolts, which may not be particularly useful in itself, would tend to indicate whether a different casting is used for the base.

Some manufacturer's (assemblers?, labelers?) have many variations on the same horsepower engine, (the record is Kissan Iron with five types of 10/1) while others seem to have one design, with only a variation in the engine speed (and I assume the flywheel size and weight).  I'm still not sure how useful this is, but I found it interesting.

I hope the format won't get too messed up importing into this box, it was straight in the original.  If only one number is used, all the engines were the same for that parameter.
Ray

Ammerajkot          http://www.ameerrajkot.com
H.P.             5 6       8    10 12      14 14
Cylinder          1 1       1   1      1
Bore in MM          114.3   139.7   120 127      139.7 130
Stroke in MM         139.7      139.7   139.7      152.4 147
Speed RPM         600 650    850   1000       650 1000
Compression Ratio          1:18      
Lub. Oil Consumption Capacity (Lit.)    4.5         4.5      5.0
Foundation Bolt Spacing in MM    330 x 330       330 x 330   
Fuel Tank Capacity (Lit.)       14.0   


Ampro Exports      http://www.amproexports.com/lister-diesel-engines.html
Particulars    6/1    8/1    10/1    12/1    14/1    16/1    12/2    16/2    20/2
Horse Power    6    8    10    12    14    16    12    16    20
RPM       650    850    1000    1000    850    850    650    850    1000
Bore       114.3   114.3   120   127   152.4   152.4   114.3   114.3   120
Stroke       139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   177.8   177.8   139.7   139.7   139.7
Bolt spacing   330 x 330            356 x 356      381 x 559
Fuel Cap.(Lit.)   8   8   10   10   12   12   12   12
Lub. Oil Cap.   5   5   5   5   7.5   7.5   7.5   7.5   13   

Aswamegh      http://www.indiamart.com/ashwamegh/#diesel-engine
H.P.      6   8   10   12   12   14*   15*   16   20   20
RPM      650   850   1050   1000   650   1000   1000   850   1050   1000
Cylinder      1   1   1   1   2   1   1   2   2   2
Bore      114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3   130   130   114.3   114.3   120
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   146.05   139.7   139.7   145   160   139.7   139.7
Compression ratio:  18:1, except 14/1 and 15/1 which are 16.5:1.  They are Direct Injection engines.
All 2 cylinders have bush main bearings and oil pump, can be ordered with taper roller bearing.  6/1 and 8/1 are splash only, but can be ordered with oil pump.

Atul Group   http://www.atulgroup.com
HP   6/1   8/1   10/1   12/1
RPM   560   850   1000   1000
Bore   114   120   120   127
Stroke   139.6   139.6   139.6   139.6

Field Marshall http://www.fieldmarshal.com
Single and double cylinder 5 to 20 hp, 600 to 1000 rpm

GG Auto Gears   http://www.ggautomotive.com/lg_04.htm   
No information on website about engines.

GTC Engines   http://www.geco-trade.com/default.asp
H.P./Cyl.   6/1   8/1   10/1   12/2   16/2
RPM   650   850   1000   650   850
Bore   114.3   114.3   120   114.3   114.3
Stroke   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Fuel tank   11   11   11   15   15
Compression  18:1

Hrishi Exports   http://www.hrishiexports.com/slow.html
HP/Cyl.      6/1   8/1   10/1   12/1   14/1   12/2   16/2   20/2         
RPM      650   850   1000   1000   1000   650   850   1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   127   127   114.3   114.3   120
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Found. Bolt Space    330x330            381x559   
Fuel tank      8   8   10   10   12   12   12   12
Oil Capacity   5   5   5   5   5   7.5   7.5   7.5

JKSON      http://www.indiamart.com/jkgroup/   6, 8, 10, 12, 16, 20 HP engines, no other details
Also rebranded as Power Solution (PS) by George of Utterpower and Joel.


Kissan Iron     http://www.kissangroup.com/kissan_iron_works/product/lister_type.htm
Model   KIW-   10   1   2   7A   8   4   7   7FE   7DI    7DIH   
HP/cyl.      5/1   6/1   8/1   8/1   8/1   10/1   10/1   10/1   10/1   10/1
RPM      600   650   850   950   900   1000   1000   1000   1000   1000   
Bore      114.3   114.3   114.3   120   120   120   120   120   120   120
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   132   139.7   139.7
Found bolt space   330X330                     305X200   330X330   330X330
Fuel tank cap.   9   

Model   KIW-   12   12FE   14D.I.   
HP/cyl.      12/1   12/1   14/1
RPM      1000   1000   1000
Bore      127   1127   127
Stroke      139.7   132   139.7
Found bolt space   330x330   305x200   330x330   
Fuel tank cap.   12   12   12
It appears that the DI models are direct injection and likely have aluminum pistons.  Heavy flywheels are available for some models, as are water pumps.  Smaller engines are splash lubricated, larger likely have pumps but it is unclear.   

Lovson   http://www.lovson.com/lister-type-slow-speed-diesel-engines.html
Model      SL-6   SL-8   SL-10    SLC10   SLC10   SLC12
            /SLC   Tiger   Sumo   Sumo
HP/cyl.      6/1   8/1   10/1   10/1   10/1   12/1
RPM      650   850   1000   1000   900   1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   120   127   127
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Compression   16:1   16:1   17:1   17:1   17:1   17:1
Oil cap.      5 lit.
Found. Bolt space   330x330
Generally TRB main bearings, but bushing with oil pump is available.

Metro/Metrex   http://www.metroexporters.com/pages/index.html
Model      ME-6   ME-8   ME-10   ME-12   ME-16   ME-20
HP/cyl.      6/1   8/1   10/1   12/2   16/2   20/2
RPM      650   850   1000   650   850   1050
Bore      114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Compression   18:1

Mascot Enterprises   http://products.jimtrade.com/product_details.asp?ProductId=26396&SupplierId=92729
No information other than a generic “Lister” picture.

Power Anand   http://www.poweranand.com/diesel_engine.htm
Model      6/1   8/1   10/1LOP   10/1CBW   12/1   12/2   16/2   20/1   24/2
RPM      650   850   1000   1000   1000   650   850   1000   1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   120   130   114.3   114.3   120   130
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Compression   18:1
Fuel tank      8               13
Oil cap.      5               10
Found. Bolt space    330x330               560x382
The two 10/1’s have identical spec. but different model #’s.

Prakash/Fuking   http://www.prakash-india.com
I could only find Petter-type engines on their website.

Satyajeet   http://www.satyajeet.com/de2.htm      GM-90 direct injection engines w/aluminum pistons
Model      GM90/6   GM90/8   GM90/10   GM90/10   GM90/12   GM90/10   GM90/14
               Super      Sendo
RPM      750   900   1000   950   1050   800   1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   127   127   130   130
Stroke      130   130   130   130   130   146.5   146.5
Compression   17.5:1
Oil cap.      4.25
Found. Bolt space.   260x260      Lub. Splash plus oil pumps.  Balance weights on crankshaft.
Sterling Agra   http://www.sterlingagra.com

The spec. and descriptions appear identical to Kissan Iron, found above.

Vibha   http://www.vibha.com/diesel.html
Model      6/1   8/1   10/1   12/2   16/2   20/2
RPM      650   850   1000   650   850   1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   114.3   114.3   120
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7


Vidhata   http://www.vidhataindia.com
Model   VL5   VL6   VL7   VL8   VL9
HP/cyl.   6/1   8/1   10/1   10/1   12/1
RPM   650   850   950   1000   850
Bore   114.3   120   120   120   127
Stroke   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7



PS Listeroid 6/1, 5 kW ST, Detroit Diesel 3-71, Belsaw sawmill, 12 kW ST head, '71 GMC 3/4 T, '79 GMC 1T, '59 IH T-340

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Re: The Brand Roundup
« Reply #56 on: March 17, 2006, 06:54:58 PM »
Another observation:  the compression ratios varied from 16:1, 16.5:1, 17:1, 17.5:1, to 18:1, the most common.  No site mentioned the compression change valve, although I know it is offered by some manufacturers'.  One site showed an engine with the water pump, but did not offer it as an option, though I know it can be obtained.  Likely the same is true of other options.
PS Listeroid 6/1, 5 kW ST, Detroit Diesel 3-71, Belsaw sawmill, 12 kW ST head, '71 GMC 3/4 T, '79 GMC 1T, '59 IH T-340

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« Reply #57 on: March 17, 2006, 11:29:55 PM »
Sorry for the double posting, here is a cleaned up version, with some added comments.

“Standard”:  114.3 piston, 139.7 con rod.  Con rods go from 130 to 177.8.  Other common pistons are 120, 127 and 130.  Materials are mostly iron, few aluminum.  330x330 mm foundation bolt for 1 cyl., 381x559 for 2 cyl., some variation.

Ammerajkot          http://www.ameerrajkot.com
H.P.             5   6       8    10   12      14   14
Cylinder          1
Bore in MM          114.3      114.3   120 127      139.7 130
Stroke in MM          139.7      139.7   139.7      152.4 147
Speed RPM          600 650    850   1000       650 1000
Compression Ratio       1:18      
Lub. Oil Consumption Capacity (Lit.)    4.5      4.5      5.0
Foundation Bolt Spacing in MM    330 x 330       
Fuel Tank Capacity (Lit.)    14.0      
The 14/1’s are two versions, one with larger piston & longer stroke but lower speed, the other with smaller piston, shorter stroke but higher speed.  These are the only engines that use a piston size of 139.7, unless it’s a typo.

Ampro Exports      http://www.amproexports.com/lister-diesel-engines.html
Particulars    6/1    8/1    10/1    12/1    14/1    16/1    12/2    16/2    20/2
Horse Power    6    8    10    12    14      16       12       16        20
RPM       650    850    1000    1000    850    850    650    850    1000
Bore       114.3   114.3   120   127   152.4   152.4   114.3   114.3   120
Stroke           139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7 177.8   177.8   139.7   139.7   139.7
Bolt spacing   330 x 330              356 x 356        381 x 559
Fuel Cap.(Lit.)   8   8   10   10   12   12   12   12
Lub. Oil Cap.   5   5   5   5   7.5   7.5   7.5   7.5   13
These all use the same con rod, except the 14/1 and 16/1.  Piston size and rpm varies.   

Aswamegh      http://www.indiamart.com/ashwamegh/#diesel-engine
H.P.      6   8   10   12   12   14   15   16   20   20
RPM          650   850   1050     1000    650   1000   1000  850    1050   1000
Cylinder   1   1   1   1   2     1      1       2       2        2
Bore      114.3 114.3 114.3 114.3   114.3 130    130   114.3   114.3  120
Stroke      139.7 139.7 139.7 146.05 139.7 139.7 145 160    139.7   139.7
Compression ratio:  18:1, except 14/1 and 15/1 which are 16.5:1.  They are Direct Injection engines.
All 2 cylinders have bush main bearings and oil pump, can be ordered with taper roller bearing.  6/1 and 8/1 are splash only, but can be ordered with oil pump.  All use the same piston except 14/1, 16/1 and 20/2.  Con rod varies.

Atul Group   http://www.atulgroup.com
HP   6/1   8/1   10/1   12/1
RPM   650   850   1000   1000
Bore   114   120   120   127
Stroke   139.6   139.6   139.6   139.6
All use the same con rod, but it is 0.1mm shorter than the standard.  Is it really different or not?

Field Marshall http://www.fieldmarshal.com
Single and double cylinder 5 to 20 hp, 600 to 1000 rpm, no other info.

GG Auto Gears   http://www.ggautomotive.com/lg_04.htm   
No information on website about engines.

GTC Engines   http://www.geco-trade.com/default.asp
H.P./Cyl.   6/1   8/1   10/1   12/2   16/2
RPM   650   850   1000   650   850
Bore   114.3   114.3   120   114.3   114.3
Stroke   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Fuel tank   11   11   11   15   15
Compression  18:1
Same piston and con rod except piston for the 10/1.

Hrishi Exports   http://www.hrishiexports.com/slow.html
HP/Cyl.      6/1   8/1   10/1   12/1   14/1   12/2   16/2   20/2         
RPM      650   850   1000   1000   1000   650   850   1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   127   127   114.3   114.3   120
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Found. Bolt Space    330x330         381x559   
Fuel tank      8   8   10   10   12   12   12   12
Oil Capacity   5   5   5   5   5   7.5   7.5   7.5
All use the same con rod, only piston size varies.

JKSON      http://www.indiamart.com/jkgroup/   6, 8, 10, 12, 16, 20 HP engines, no other details
Also rebranded as Power Solution (PS) by George of Utterpower and Joel.


Kissan Iron     http://www.kissangroup.com/kissan_iron_works/product/lister_type.htm
Model   KIW-   10   1   2   7A   8   4   7   7FE   7DI    7DIH   
HP/cyl.      5/1   6/1   8/1   8/1   8/1   10/1 10/1   10/1   10/1      10/1
RPM      600   650   850   950   900  1000 1000   1000   1000   1000   
Bore      114.3   114.3   114.3   120   120   120    120   120   120   120
Stroke      139.7   139.7  139.7  139.7 139.7 139.7139.7 132   139.7   139.7
Found bolt space  All 330X330 except                 305X200   
Fuel tank cap.   9   

Model   KIW-   12   12FE   14D.I.   
HP/cyl.      12/1   12/1   14/1
RPM      1000   1000   1000
Bore      127   127   127
Stroke      139.7   132   139.7
Found bolt space     305x200    
Fuel tank cap.   12   12   12
It appears that the DI models are direct injection and likely have aluminum pistons.  Heavy flywheels are available for some models, as are water pumps.  Smaller engines are splash lubricated, larger likely have pumps but it is unclear.   All use the same con rod, except one 12/1.    All the same size base casting size except one 10/1 and one 12/1.

Lovson   http://www.lovson.com/lister-type-slow-speed-diesel-engines.html
Model      SL-6   SL-8   SL-10    SLC10   SLC10   SLC12
                   /SLC     Tiger   Sumo   Sumo
HP/cyl.      6/1   8/1   10/1   10/1   10/1   12/1
RPM      650   850   1000   1000   900   1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   120   127   127
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Compression   16:1   16:1   17:1   17:1   17:1   17:1
Oil cap.      5 lit.
Found. Bolt space   330x330
Generally TRB main bearings, but bushing with oil pump is available.

Metro/Metrex   http://www.metroexporters.com/pages/index.html
Model      ME-6   ME-8   ME-10   ME-12   ME-16   ME-20
HP/cyl.      6/1   8/1   10/1   12/2   16/2   20/2
RPM      650   850   1000   650   850   1050
Bore      114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3   114.3
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Compression   18:1
All use the same piston and con rod, only rpm varies.

Mascot Enterprises   http://products.jimtrade.com/product_details.asp?ProductId=26396&SupplierId=92729
No information other than a generic “Lister” picture.

Power Anand   http://www.poweranand.com/diesel_engine.htm
Model      6/1   8/1   10/1LOP   10/1CBW   12/1   12/2   16/2   20/1   24/2
RPM      650   850   1000   1000   1000       650       850       1000    1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   120   130      114.3   114.3    120       130
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7
Compression   18:1
Fuel tank      8                        13
Oil cap.      5                          10
Found. Bolt space    330x330               560x382
The two 10/1’s have identical spec. but different model #’s.  All use the same con rod.

Prakash/Fuking   http://www.prakash-india.com
I could only find Petter-type engines on their website.

Satyajeet   http://www.satyajeet.com/de2.htm      GM-90 direct injection engines w/aluminum pistons
Model      GM90/6   GM90/8   GM90/10   GM90/10   GM90/12   GM90/10   GM90/14
                                     Super           Sendo
RPM      750        900   1000       950          1050     800       1000
Bore      114.3      114.3   120      127           127      130         130
Stroke      130       130            130       130            130      146.5     146.5
Compression   17.5:1
Oil cap.   4.25
Found. Bolt space.   260x260      
Lub. Splash plus oil pumps.  Balance weights on crankshaft.  Most use a similar (but shorter) con rod than “standard” The two different con rods are unique too.  These engines have the smallest foundation bolt spacing of any listed.  Smallest oil cap.

Sterling Agra   http://www.sterlingagra.com
The spec. and descriptions appear identical to Kissan Iron, found above.

Vibha   http://www.vibha.com/diesel.html
Model      6/1   8/1   10/1   12/2   16/2   20/2
RPM      650   850   1000   650   850   1000
Bore      114.3   114.3   120   114.3   114.3   120
Stroke      139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7


Vidhata   http://www.vidhataindia.com
Model   VL5   VL6   VL7   VL8   VL9
HP/cyl.   6/1   8/1   10/1   10/1   12/1
RPM   650   850   950   1000   850
Bore   114.3   120   120   120   127
Stroke   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7   139.7



PS Listeroid 6/1, 5 kW ST, Detroit Diesel 3-71, Belsaw sawmill, 12 kW ST head, '71 GMC 3/4 T, '79 GMC 1T, '59 IH T-340

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Re: The Brand Roundup
« Reply #58 on: March 17, 2006, 11:43:11 PM »
I spent some time in the reply box, trying to align everything, only to have it completely messed up in the post.  If anyone wants a clean version, I have it in Word, and could email it.
Ray
PS Listeroid 6/1, 5 kW ST, Detroit Diesel 3-71, Belsaw sawmill, 12 kW ST head, '71 GMC 3/4 T, '79 GMC 1T, '59 IH T-340

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Re: The Brand Roundup
« Reply #59 on: March 19, 2006, 12:59:04 AM »
Hallo everybody.

I just add some info:

Field Marshall http://www.fieldmarshal.com
ENGINE TYPEFMS6FMS8FMS10PMVFM-11FM-111FM-IVFM-IV SUPRAFMS12FM12FM-11 DIFM-IV DIFM 10DIFM 14DIFM 16DIFM16DFM20D
POWER H.P. / kW6/4.48/5.910/7.356/4.48/5.99.5/710/7.3510/7.3512/8.812/8.88/5.910/7.3510/7.3514/10.316/11.7716/11.7720/14.7
NO. OF CYLINDER11111111111111122
BORE mm114.3114.3120114.3114.3120120120127127114.3114.3120127130114.3120
STROKE mm130130130139.7139.7139.7139.7139.7130139.7139.7139.7139.7139.7139.7139.7139.7
SPEED R.P.M.6608501000660850950100010001000100085010001000100010008501000
SPECIFIC FUEL CONSUMPTIONg/kWh - g/bhp/h255 - 188255 - 188255 - 188265 - 195265 - 195265 - 195265 - 195265 - 195265 - 195265 - 195240 - 177240 - 177240 - 177240 - 177240 - 177265 - 195265 - 195
COMPRESSION RATIO16:116:116:117:117:117:117:117:116:117:115.5:116:117:116:115.5:117:117:1
DISPLACEMENT c.m.313341334147014321432158015801580164617681432143215801768185328653160
LUBRICATIONSAE-30/40SAE-30/40SAE-30/40SAE-30/40SAE-30/40SAE-30/40SAE-30/40SAE-30/40SAE-30/40SAE-30/40SAE-30/40SAE-30/40SAE-30/40SAE-30/40SAE-30/40SAE-30/40SAE-30/40
BARE WEIGHT OF ENGINE (Approx.) Kgs.280280290320335320355380330385335350350385395440440
GROSS WEIGHT OF ENGINE (Approx.) Kgs.395395405455470455490515445520470485485520530635635
PACKED CASE SIZE : L x W x H mm940x700x1040940x700x1040940x700x10401070x700x11451070x700x11451070x700x11451070x700x11451070x700x1145940x700x10401070x700x11451070x700x11451070x700x11451070x700x11451070x700x11451070x700x11451375x725x11151375x725x1115
PACKING CASE VOLUME m30.690.690.690.860.860.860.860.860.690.860.860.860.860.860.861.111.11


Prakash/Fuking   http://www.prakash-india.com

ENGINE
Rating   8 to 12 hp
Cooling   Water Cooled
No. of cyl.   one
Fuel    Diesel
Type   Vertical ,4-stroke, compression ignition
Injection    In-direct/Direct
RPM    650 to 1000
Sp. Fuel Con.   197 grams/hp-hr
Fuel tank    10 liters
Rotation    Clockwise looking at the flywheel
Starting    Handle start with cranking

ModelRated PowerR.P.M.BORE (mm)STROKE (mm)Dry Weight
HPKW
PL-164.4650120139.7315
PL-285.9850120139.7315
PL-4107.41000120139.7325
PL-5128.81000127139.7425



What makes you so sure that the JKSON Listeroids are the ones that are sold as Power Solution (PS) by George of Utterpower and Joel?


Regards
Lars