Who the hell do you think you are. Just a self opinionated typist you dont know what you are talking about. You claim to be an expert on all things lister.
I know who I am, who the hell are you.
Who do you think I am? Mavis Beacon.
I never claimed to be an expert on all things lister, nor anything even remotely similar.
You only have a project engine which you are playing with. I run mine for power every day.
Listen bimbo, my grandad had a lister powering the farm, my dad apprenticed to farm industries in truro, so he visited most of the farms thereabouts and many of them ran on start-o-matic power, 20 some years later he bought one of the old sets he used to work on, so I grew up around em too, later on he was chief engineer for south east asia for a petro logistics outfit, apart from the fleet of 27 ships, 18 foden artics (gotta love those gardners) workshops, acres of drill pipe and other logistical supplies for the 15 rigs he was responsible for supply for, which btw included "big john" which was one of the biggest semi submersibles of the day, they ran about 40 CS series doing everything from pumping to compressors, I would have been about 6 when I started handing him spanners and shit, and routinely running our s-o-m from the age of 12, had to use a tick tock to lift the bloody heads off, and again counting flats to torque em down.
NOWADAYS I have one sat in the garden that I am indeed playing with, cos I have mains electric and gas and other things to do with my time.
NOWADAYS there are a lot of things I don't happen to do much, doesn't mean I never did them.
I think you are full of bullshit.
I don't care what you, or anyone else thinks.
I _know_ who and what I am, what I have done, what I know, I don't have dick to prove to you.
Ive been reading your posts with interest since I found this site and you purport to be an expert
in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
most of these guys have never seen a genuine CS, only clones, none of them grew up around them, not all of them are time served.
like I said before, i never claimed to be an expert, but I have been around them for most of my life.
if you are so clever why dont you contribute to the UK lister forum we in the UK need as much info as possable most of the lister mechanics who worked on these machines are retired or dead.
1/ this place was going first
2/ why should I
3/ I could drive up the road and say hi face to face with four dursley guys tomorrow, guys retiring now were 30 and could have had 15 years at dursley before the cs series was axed, so maybe they are just avoiding you.
For your information the method of testing the mainbearing with a prybar was passed down to me by a time served lister engineer who serviced generators on dartmoor.
Bullshit, no time served engineer will use a 4 foot crowbar on an engine internals, ever, ever, ever.
#1 babbit is soft, you'll fuck it up.
#2 cast iron is brittle, you'll likely chip it
#3 BDC, which is the only place a 4 foot crowbar can exert any leverage without simply rotating the crank isn't going to tell you dick about bearing wear anyway
#4 I could go on, but it would all be "whooosh"
The reason he said CS engined startomatics had gone out of favour was that they didnt produce enough power and spares were very expensive most people wanted more kilowatts.
Bullshit
They produced enough power for anyone who didn't need more power, and lo and behold the sub 5 KVA gen set market is more active than it ever was.
Spares were listed in the book, along with prices, and they were actually pretty cheap. Especially as they were rarely needed. A fucking car battery was half a weeks wages back then, so stop using todays economics to try and justify something that just wasnt so back then.
The guy I bought the startomatic from was not a mate. It was an advert in ad trader the spare engine was in the corner and looked like it had been there for years. I didnt say you could buy an engine for 500 quid 5 years ago you deduced that. It was probably nearer to 10 he was then running an air cooled twin 7kw startomatic and had been for a few years. The 4.5 was just his standby unit.He sold it because he had just got an inverter and battery setup and had power 24/7.
You could buy a CS engine for 50 quid 5 years ago, dad lent our old set to a mate and told him to keep it rather than haul it back, I sold one in 1985 for a leather jacket with fringes, a couple of pints of beer, and the thing I really wanted in trade, a b44 that had seen better days
in february this year I paid 300 quid for a complete 100% working and functional with negligible wear s-o-m
Anyway you are a nasty person to make personal attacks. Threats to hit me with a crow bar who do you think you are.I contribute to this forum not to blow my own trumpet you made this personal.
I laughed at an engineer when I was an apprentice because he made a stupid mistake, I got a fist in the face, because I saw the mistake and didn't tell him, and because I wasn't fit to laugh at him.
If you picked up the wrong tool to do a job, or used a tool inappropriately, it was snatched out of your hands and flung at you.
You never ever ever repeated the mistake, or lazy attitude.
You deserve to be beaten with your crowbar, not because it is mechanical vandalism of the first order, though it is and that is justification enough in my book, but because the pain you feel will open your eyes to the fact that using such an inappropriate tool in such a dreadful way is going to damage the work, and damaged work can go wrong in unpredictable and nasty ways, and injure or kill anyone unfortunate to be nearby at the time.
that is called criminal negligence
You write crap Nortons never had jampot suspension AJS and Matchless did. Fact
Norton ES2 was often referred to as jampot, btw dr john, _the_ norton single specialist, who lives up the road from me, who I have bought bike from in the past, who builds bikes for sheene amongst others, is the one you need to argue this point with.
BSA never made a model called the "Stinkwheel" either, but you can just as easily and accurately say that back in the day the same term was used for ducati (cucciolo) and vincent (firefly) but no doubt some arse will come out of the wood work to tell you you are talking shite.
BTW I bought my jampot norton from the late stan thomas of relubbus, ex isle of man fame, he called it a jampot norton too, I guess he was wrong as well
Where do you get 3/8 UNC treads on a lister. Answer nowhere all the threads on lister cs engines are either BSW or BSF so where do you get off on posting on this site that the threads on listers are UNC even the thread anglle is wrong so you are a vandle join the club. I seem to remember ypu singing the joys of using your dads old taps to clean the threads on your repared cylinder. Do you get off on passing false information.
1/ apart from the 1/2", BSW and UNC are the same TPI, one is 55 degrees and one is 60 degrees, but they will "fit", though hex and spanner sizes are not equivalent.
2/ I have full sets of taps and dies for BSW, BSF, BA Cycle UNC UNF BSP BSPT etc etc, you get the picture, why would I pick up and use the wrong one?
3/ The listers that were ordered for south east asia came with metric threads mainly, and some JIC for the ancilliaries, lister were like that, they'd build what you ordered.
4/ if as you say all the threads on a lister are BSF or BSW, who fitted all the BSP?
5/ if you read that I used a 3/8" UNC tap on my lister, you must also have read where I used it, on the barrel to hold the brackets I made up for the Dennis radiator, and they are UNC, not BSW.
6/ Any other arguments you want to pick about my set that you think you know more about it than me?
And another I saw your pictures of your startomatic a while ago they are not there now Whats all that crap in your control cubicle Ive seen a few over the years and ive never seen one like yours I think you put some crap in it to make your pictures look good the kit in lister boxes is much more substantial. It dosnt look anything like the ones in the manual that you made available.
Yes that's right, I went to old electrical boot sales and cobbled together soem heath robinson crap and took pictures of it and claimed it was the insides of my boxes.
much easier than simply taking pictures of the insides of the boxes of my 100% working and original s-o-m
I you had a clue you would realise that the rare thing to happen with s-o-m sets is to put two side by side and find them to be identical...... andy on here bought one, different alternator to mine, no control boxes but different alternator ergo different boxes, my mate bought one, another different alternator and another set of different boxes, binnie has just bought one, yet another different alternator and different set of control boxes, thats four bought this year I know of, and no two the same.
see that thing I said above bout anything else about my set you were going to tell me I'm wrong about
see that other thing I said above about listers essentially running a bespoke production line on the cs series
Also on your mig welding of the cylinder anyone could tack little bits of chicken shit all round a crack then grind it down with a grinderette and make it look nice.
Yes, they probably could, or I could use blu tac and simply photoshop the picture and convince everyone I'm the next I K Brunel
You say a time served welder looked at your job and said it was good How did he test it xray ultrasonic no he just looked.
no, I said a CODED welder, devonport docks, nuke powerplant rated, amazingly competent welder, and yeah, he looked, and touched and so on, no machines, just an experienced eye
of course he could be wrong and you who have only seen a picture on a web page could be right, I used rhode island red shit
It cannot be a safe repair cast iron and steel do not weld together
Clearly, you are again correct, if the scram rods fail to engage properly and the core overheats and pressures within the containment vessel peak we could be looking at another chernobyl, on the other hand seeing as it is a unpressurised thermal syphon water jacket on a 6 BHP diesel that is never going to dissipate more than 1500 watts into said water jacket, and given that water + ferrous metals = rust which is several times larger than the primary compound, which is why leaky pipe threads rust tight, and given that it didn't leak a drop or blow a bubble with 15 psi of air and soapy water we might just avoid a china syndrome
How many hours have you run your engine like this with a decent load on it. I bet you havent even done that.
Bugger all, it did about 4 hours at 3 kw
Again you are probably right, when doungeness trips out and the grid dumps that extra few hundred megawatts on the lister it might just fail
The square bar on the valve lifter assembly is in the wrong position its should be on the top hole on the bell crank where the 2 spings fit.
Next time I speak to bob bell (he is somewhere near the top of engineering nowadays at listers) I'll be sure to point out to him that they built my engine wrong, maybe he will issue a recall of all s-o-m sets and make them all identical to the one you have.
IF you are going to contribute get your facts correct
Mick
why, it doesn't seem to bother you.
