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I concur. Some minor pitting on the top of the sleeve shouldn't cause a problem for the copper head gasket. Just clean it up the surface some 400 grit silicon carbide sandpaper and ignore the pits.

Bruce M



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Listeroid Engines / Re: Pulsating in singles cylinders.
« on: February 06, 2006, 07:47:46 PM »
I agree, Shipchief.  Add a little water and nitrogen to keep the bugs happy and a "dirt muffler" mades a lot of sence environmentally.  The exception would be where the water table was  too near the surface or rain water flushing was a problem so that the bugs wouldn't get a chance to do their job.

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Darren's assessment was that the Listeroid's notorious valve train clatter, which isn't subtle, was due to the valve not following the cam, and slapping shut.  I think it could be that and/or also the tappet slapping down on the cam instead of following it.  I'll have to try my stethescope and see if it's coming from the head or down by the tappets.

I still think this assessment holds water but I'm no master mechanic.

Even if the clack is at the valve seat, the inertia (mass) of the tappets and other valve train parts are what's keeping the valve from following the cam, I think.  Increasing spring force would fix it but at the expense of valve cam/valve train wear.




2809
Darren,
Plan C:
I don't think you can get enough decrease in mass with messing with the valves.  The  bigger mass is the valve tappet itself (and the cast iron rocker arms)  The tappet is a much bigger (than valves)  chunk of steel, and is easier to replace than the rocker arms.. A composite tappet body with hardened steel face??? Aluminum???

Bruce M

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Auto Shut Down
« on: February 06, 2006, 04:52:53 PM »
I haven't seen any affordable solenoid valves rated for 2000 psi or more.

I'm going to go with a more conventional injection pump rack closer, either direct solenoid or air piston with solenoid vave. 

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Pulsating in singles cylinders.
« on: February 05, 2006, 08:37:31 PM »
Gerry, I'd like to hear more on your plans for the buried exhaust.  I've been considering this as I have some backhoe work to do shortly anyway.  My thoughts were- dig a 5' deep trench, 30 feet long.  Put two feet of leachfield (3") cinders in it, with a 4' lead in of perforated (slot with oxy torch) steel pipe and a 4' lead out of perforated PVC drain pipe.  Not sure on the pipe diameters.

What are your thoughts?

Thanks for the feedback on Mike's governor adjustment.

Bruce M

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Auto Shut Down
« on: February 04, 2006, 10:56:51 PM »
Thanks, Rocket for bringing up the issue of auto shut down with load still applied.  That would not be nice to the submersible pump 200 feet down in my off grid homesite well.

I just bench tested the utimate in simplicity for emergency shut down.  A thin brass wire which holds the fixed end of the governor spring.  Applied 12 volts, snap, the spring is released. It doesn't seem to take much current, and the wire seems to fail in tension rather than vaporizing (no pop).  I used an insulated screw terminal block to hold the two ends of the brass wire loop.  I've previously tested releasing the governor spring with the engine running-  it results in the rack being closed immediately.

Alas, it's not appropriate for remote shut down. 

Yes, Scott, an imbedded processor would be a nice way to go for auto engine control.  Saves a lot of logic and timing wiring.  Alas, I have to work on some house plans and the house very soon!

Best Wishes,
Bruce


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Listeroid Engines / Re: Auto Shut Down
« on: February 04, 2006, 08:32:47 PM »
That's an interesting idea, Scott.  It would also solve the decompression problem for future remote starting.  One concern-  any shutdown that doesn't shut off the fuel supply means a bunch of fuel squirted into the cylinder until the engine coasts to a stop.  I want to use the shut down mechanism for regular remote shut downs.  What do you think?

Bruce M

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Auto Shut Down, not.
« on: February 04, 2006, 08:14:04 PM »
I'm doing more swinging and missing today.   :P

I hooked up the Greasel fuel shutoff valve in front of the IP, and it does not work.  Tried pinching the hose off in various places, and found that the IP only shuts down (slowly now) with the hose pinched right before the IP.  Just a few inches back and it struggles along at reduced speed for a quite a while.  This is new-  raising the compression to spec plus seems to make it want to run on vapors.

So Shipchief, you were right.  I  got fooled by a low compression engine that needed lots fuel to keep running.

Now I've got to relook at releasing the governor spring et al.

Bruce M




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Listeroid Engines / Re: Keeping track of your hours
« on: February 04, 2006, 07:49:08 PM »
I forgot to mention-  this is particularly useful to me as sometimes I'll be running the air compressor only, and want to log those engine hours, too.

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Morgan,  Alas, you'll have to measure your head clearance with two lead solder snippets in the center of the piston, then rotate the crank through TDC and then measure,, as various Listeroids have different specs for head clearance.  You can then adjust the head clearance by adding or subtracting paper shims under the cylinder.  My Metro was so far off that even with all 0.050 of the paper shims removed and a single sheet of typing paper (.003") substituted the head clearance was still not in spec. 

The standard head clearance is around 0.063", I think.  My Metro booklet called for 0.045-.050".
I went under that a bit because of the elevation here.

Bruce McCreary
Snowflake, AZ
2002 Metro 6/1

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Change of oil observations---
« on: February 04, 2006, 05:01:16 PM »
That's great news about your oil consumption, though baffling.  The detergent must have cleaned up something or the thin viscosity got in somewhere?  ???  I've often gone to straight 30/40 weight with no detergent on older vehicles that started burning oil- and had oil consumption stop, but I've never heard of the reverse situation.

 I'm going to improve my homebrew oil filter media's fine particle performance with some cotton batting or cotton balls, and stick to multiviscosity detergent oils. 


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Listeroid Engines / Re: Keeping track of your hours
« on: February 04, 2006, 04:41:35 PM »
Steve/Cranelift- Thanks so much for sharing your great find.  This is just what I needed, and I've just ordered one.

Best Wishes,
Bruce M

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Hey Hotater,
"Regards the oil sight tube---  If you'll replace the elbow with a Tee with a step-up adapter at the top you can add oil through it and to drain the oil all you have to do is disconnect the sight tube. "

I did this, and the trapped air in the oil filler riser screws up the oil level readings of the sight tube.  When the engine was running with the oil filler riser on a Tee, the oil level rose 3/4".  So I had to remove the oi filler pipe and will add one to one of the access doors, someday.

There does seem to be a lot of force from the downward directed oil off the crank. It it really packs down my filter media.  A scraper could direct that force to a pressure filter.

I tried cold starting by hand this morning just after at dawn, about 16 degrees F, and a few degrees colder than that overnight.  No joy, just a sore arm. Maybe this will improve when my engine is broken in, but even my '85 300D MB diesel has trouble starting on mornings like this  My present home here outside Snowflake is at 5900 feet, my new off grid property is  5400 ft.   Hotater- what's your elevation there at Magic Springs?  I wonder if there's still something not right that my Lister(oid) is not cold starting by hand at these temps?

 I took this as an opportunity to test the new Utterpower glow plug I recently purchased. Screwed it in, hooked it up, immediately started cranking by hand, moved the compression release and bang, she fired on the first compression stroke.  Big grin. This after complete failure with many attempts at hand starting without the glow plug.  It's really a nice design- the VW glow plug element tip is right at the focus of the concave plug end  in the precombustion chamber.

Bravo, George, for this very nice Lister enhancement.

Bruce



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Listeroid Engines / Re: New 28/2
« on: February 04, 2006, 05:27:08 AM »
OMG, a 28/2 is a first!  We just gotta see is as soon as it arrives, pictures, please! 
Welcome, welcome, Rick.

Best Wishes,
Bruce M

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