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Listeroid Engines / Re: Need engine help
« on: February 10, 2006, 03:11:47 PM »
Russel, It was most  impressive to have not been led astray by the confirmation of fuel delivery at the injectors.
Nice work, both you in the supporting role and your non-posting friend of the forum.
Bruce


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Listeroid Engines / Re: Need engine help
« on: February 10, 2006, 06:12:57 AM »
Bravo Russel for excellence in remote diagnostics!  Do you do stock picks?   :D





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Listeroid Engines / Re: Bicycle Computer
« on: February 10, 2006, 06:05:56 AM »
I bought an engine vibration- hours meter from McMaster.
Part # 8678 T64  (Thanks to Cranelift/Steve for this much appreciated tip.)  I think it was $23.

Perfect for my use since I'll just be running the air compressor for my shop sometimes. 

I use an RC model airplane optical tachometer set to three blade mode for a tach, and point it through the flywheel spokes.  RPM is half the indicated value. 




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Listeroid Engines / Re: Auto Shut Down
« on: February 10, 2006, 05:51:47 AM »
Scott, I had no idea that some old speedos used paramagnetic force or that it would work at such low rpms.  I thought speedos were all steel cup turned by a multipoled magnet on the speedo shaft.  Sounds like something I need to play with.  Thanks!





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Listeroid Engines / Re: Auto Shut Down
« on: February 09, 2006, 11:26:43 PM »
The rubber friction drive on the flywheel works well,there's  no need to add a belt. I actually started with a belt during initial design testing and then when to the rubber wheel for simplicity.

Yes, I will automate the starting at some point. The sequence: Decompression piston activate, starter valve open, wait till up to cranking speed (or just wait), Decompression OFF, starter off when up to speed (or just wait).  I haven't decided how to do engine rpms.  A favorite thought is to put some reflectorized tape on the flywheel spokes, then use an IR emitter and photodiode and transistor.  The time between  pulses can be integrated to an analog rpm voltage level and compared to set levels for cranking speed, running speed, overspeed.

 I'm an old computer geek and was embedding microprocessors in flight simulators back in the late 70's when a Z80 at 4 MHz was hot stuff.  The sequencing and logic really calls for a simple processor chip, though a quad 555 timer chip and some logic would also suffice.  The tachometer function could also be done digitally by the processor.



 

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Auto Shut Down
« on: February 09, 2006, 02:58:47 PM »
Great info Darren.  RCB081214 looks like it would do the job, I've got to contact Boca and find out what the torque rating is. I'm not sure if I like having the wheel in pressure contact with the flywheel all the time the engine is running. An air cylinder to press the wheel while air is supplied to the Gast motor seems straighforward and does not require another solenoid valve, just a $13 air cylinder.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Auto Shut Down
« on: February 09, 2006, 05:28:33 AM »
Thanks Darren,
The mounting bracket appears to be solid enough as is-  1/8" steel bar.  If I see stress cracking down the road, I'll just weld in some webs at the bend.

I just looked up sprag clutches. Interesting clutch, interesting idea.  It would allow the air motor and drive wheel to be fixed mount, though the starter rubber wheel would continue to ride on the flywheel after starting. 

Any idea how much one of these for a 1/2" shaft might run?

Bruce



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Listeroid Engines / Re: Auto Shut Down
« on: February 09, 2006, 01:09:28 AM »
I got the parts for the pneumatic rack pusher today, and got it all hooked up.  It works great.  I've never used air piston type actuators before and they are nice- small, lightweight, cheap, with lots of selection for force and piston extension.  I'll be using them for exhaust decompression and air starter motor engagement eventually (for remote starting).

Here's some photos and more info in the coppemine:
http://listerengine.com/coppermine/displayimage.php?pos=-128
http://listerengine.com/coppermine/displayimage.php?pos=-129
http://listerengine.com/coppermine/displayimage.php?pos=-130





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Listeroid Engines / Re: Good Bye Lister Fans
« on: February 08, 2006, 05:12:51 AM »
I just posted a complaint to our good moderator moments before this came up.
Bravo to our moderator(s)!  What a great forum this is!




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Kevin,
We were only discussing temporarily increasing spring force as a means of testing a theory on valve clatter, as it's easier to do than making a custom lightweight valve tappet. 

Hotater's post makes me think we might be on the wrong track, and I have to think some more about it. Thanks for this great info on your valve noise experiments, Jack! 

Best Wishes,
Bruce M





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Listeroid Engines / Re: Idler gear remove and replace tips?
« on: February 07, 2006, 03:26:49 PM »
Thanks Shipchief!
My big concern was getting a tooth off on the process.  I'll make sure I get some alignment marks on the crank and cam.  It's reassuring to know there's not "gotchas" in the process.

On my 6/1 there's no crank weights- they're on the flywheels. The idler is easy to reach. The idler shaft seems to have a threaded socket of it's own on the crankcase close to one of the main bearing studs.




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Listeroid Engines / Idler gear remove and replace tips?
« on: February 07, 2006, 04:55:38 AM »
I bought a replacement brass idler gear from George to replace mine as a preventative/longevity measure, and wondered if someone could offer some tips on the job?

Bruce M
Snowflake, AZ
Metro 6/1 built 2002

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My MB 300D doesn't have hydraulic lifters, and it doesn't have valve clatter like the Lister.

It has an overhead cam (with rocker arm) so has no pushrod or valve tappet weight.

Sure would be fun to turn composite valve tappets and see if it did the trick.  Maybe test the idea by adiding a spacer under the present springs and see how it affects clatter.






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General Discussion / Who is our gracious host?
« on: February 07, 2006, 01:20:46 AM »
I just wondered who I should thank for hosting this great forum?

Who is our gracious host?

Bravo and thank you, whoever you may be!



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Listeroid Engines / Re: Auto Shut Down
« on: February 07, 2006, 01:15:17 AM »
Nice find on Ebay, John. 
You inspired me to look and I did find and buy a surplus Metrix vibration switch in an ebay store for $59. 

Ever since Shipchief gave us the lead on Murphy engine controls, I've wanted a vibration switch for auto shutdown.  It seems cheap insurance.

I checked on 35-45 lb force door pull solenoids-  they aren't rated for more than a very short duration.  And a puller is a bit of a pain so I opted for a Grainger single action, spring return 3/4" air cylinder with 1" extension. They're only 3.5  inches long.  With 12V air valve it's under $50. 

I'm going to mount the air piston on a bracket to the IP mounting bolt to just push straight on the end of the rack with a rubber? foot of some kind screwed on the output shaft.  I'll use 1/4" OD PE tubing to the mini air valve. Eventually I can use a similar arrangement for the air starter "pressor" against the flywheel instead of the present springs, and again for the exhaust valve decompression lifter, too. 

I'll post a picture and report on it when I've got it built and tested.



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