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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Startomatic speed change for 60Hz
« on: January 18, 2014, 02:12:54 AM »
Hello Jimboz,
                 Your Start o matic alternator will have a harmonic regulation system which is quite sensitive to speed variation and increasing it from 1500 to 1800 rpm will send it way, way over voltage.  It is not uncommon to finetune output voltage by small adjustments to rpm where frequency is not critical. My CS 8/1 delivers about 250v at 52Hz  no load and about 220v at 50Hz full load. If I want to maintain 240v at full load I need to tweak the governor to hold 52Hz  at that load. So the voltage/frequency relationship is quite critical.  Unless someone here knows a way to modify the voltage regulation I think you are stuck with a 50 Hz machine. Just my thoughts,  Combustor.

Engines / Re: injector pump stuck
« on: January 16, 2014, 01:19:09 AM »
            Also had good success with acetone in a similar situation. Not much more friendly to use than Xylene, but works OK and freely available.  Combustor.

Everything else / Re: Gelled lube oil ???
« on: January 10, 2014, 01:49:30 PM »
          Have seen a sample of exactly this jelly goo that came out of a Lister ST3. A caretaker had been left in charge of a property and apparently topped up the engine with some other type of oil that was not the type in use at the time. Poor old engine suffered rather badly, but it was not possible to accurately determine what oil was the cause of the problem. So beware, there is a secret combination of oils lurking out there waiting to cause you grief. Best advice is to top up with the type of oil that was used in the original fill. Combustor.

Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Pant leg
« on: January 10, 2014, 01:32:20 PM »
              Agree that shafts and keys are a hazard to treat with great respect, but an unguarded belt is even more dangerous. Original Lister SOM sets came unguarded
but it was probably assumed they were to be permanently installed in secure areas. I occasionally display my old VA SOM set in public, but always from the safe side of a wire fenced enclosure, and when it is called on for standby power at my workshop it is gated so that stray kids, pets etc. can not tangle with it.
         I once had to rush a guy to our nearby hospital after he ran a couple of fingers through a belt on a conveyor drive. They saved his fingers but they were never 100% afterwards. Left me with a lasting regard for the danger of belts.  Too close and you may not get a second chance.  Combustor.

Engines / Re: Cold Starting Aids/Enhancers/Adjuvants
« on: December 09, 2013, 12:39:40 PM »
           Use that devils breath as a last resort, and only introduce it to the intake once the motor is turning over freely. Apply just enough to get the motor firing enough to start gaining revs.   Do Not spray it into aircleaners or manifolds while stationary. You may as well  put a grenade in there.  Combustor.

Lister Based Generators / Re: Leaking exhaust between engine and manifold
« on: December 09, 2013, 12:29:47 PM »
         If your motor has been the victim of the uninformed wrench monkey, (no shop manual) you may have to loosen the heads and re-align them with a trued up manifold or a good straight edge. bolt up the manifold lightly, then torque down the heads, then remove manifold to fit gaskets, and tension manifold carefully and evenly. Seen too many lugs broken on manifolds through ignorance.     Combustor.

Engines / Re: Mikes Metro Mystery Motor (Mendocino, CA, USA) [Metro 6/1/]
« on: October 24, 2013, 01:02:47 PM »
           Hello Mike,
                         I seem to recall that some folk here just made an extended thermostat housing from a short length of suitable pipe wit a pair of flanges welded on
and a machined recess tor the thermostat flange. It just bolts up with a pair of long studs and is easily removable, no head work needed.   Combustor.

Engines / Re: Lister SRM oil leak in way of cooling air.
« on: July 21, 2013, 11:48:31 AM »
Hello nickcirrus,
                       Agree with Millman56 that it is coming through with the cooling air. Do you know what type of crank seal your SR has? Think there was a brass spiral ring and a felt washer on some,
 and they can leak a bit. Should be a tube under the rocker cover(s) connecting int the intake port to keep a slight vacuum in the crankcase and draw oil in. Check the tube(s) are clear.
         The brass ring and felt can be replaced with a normal double lip oil seal, but means pulling that flywheel!   Also recall a drama with an ST (similar engine) where there was a plug with an O-ring
behind the flywheel blanking an oilway at the end of the camshaft. The finer detail escapes me now, but if you should have to pull the flywheel, check this location for possible leaks.
         Hope it turns out to be something simple.  Combustor.

Hello Contaucreek,
                            Never had a twin apart, but assume the crank endfloat is set with shims or gaskets behind the main bearing flanges, as it would be with a single. Would hesitate to apply much impact to the flywheel, as  most of it will transfer to the opposite bearing flange in the crankcase, and I am not sure how much it would withstand, as I assume it's a soft babbit metal.
         Not hard to drill out a stuck key if you get a deeper piece of key bored in a lathe to take an extended pilot drill which will give a true hole through the key.  You can then enlarge this to just on the size of the key depth, and it will collapse easily if you can lock the opposite flywheel and apply some rotational force. The Listeroid  key spares seem to be OK replacements.
          Regards,   Combustor.

Hello Xyzer,
                  These machines are straight 240 volt single phase, 50 Hz, and harmonic voltage control. Will give 240V at light load, and about 220V near full load. Certainly durable old beasts.
       Guess you could use a stepdown tranny for non critical tasks, lighting etc, a lot of synchronous motors will handle 50 Hz OK. 240V  50 Hz is near universal in British Commonwealth
       countries. Not sure what Canada used in earlier days.  Regards,  Combustor.

Lister Based Generators / Re: Chinese ST 120/240 4 brush 5kw
« on: May 04, 2013, 12:40:50 PM »
       Surely your supplier can give you a spec sheet and connection diagram that will tell you what it is capable of.  With 4 brushes it sounds like it could be re-connectable several ways to give full output at 120v , 240v, or 2x 120v circuits, but you will need to see that diagram!  Someone else here may be more familiar with your ST model, and have better knowledge.  Combustor.

Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Correct starter???
« on: April 11, 2013, 12:12:49 PM »
If you can still find one of those Auto Elec shops where the guy who runs it owns it, there is nothing in a M45G starter that can't be rebuilt or replaced. Good luck,   Combustor.

Listeroid Engines / Re: Help with Balancing 6/1
« on: March 05, 2013, 02:03:47 PM »
Hello Glort,
                 Can't help with the balancing, will leave that to those with the experience.  Thinking about your battery, if it is one of the sealed low maintenance type, it should not emit gas and be hazardous under your conditions. I well remember a brand of battery when these were first produced, that had an internal fault that caused many of them to explode with some rather bad consequences. Appears that the internal connections between cells were just a lead rivet punched through the internal separator and clinched over. A bit of vibration would loosen the connection and starting current would cause a flash in a cell full of hydrogen gas. The result was a very effective bomb.
           May be worth a Google Search for that brand and model to see if others have found the same fault. You may at least get a warranty replacement. I well remember the one that exploded under the hood of my Landcruiser. Thought someone had fired a shotgun by my ear.   Acid and shrapnel all over the engine bay. Lucky I had a bucket and was near a farm dam, so washed it all down before further damage. Another poor guy lost an eye when disconnecting a charger from one of these. Sometimes worth the extra cash for an Optima, they are bulletproof!  Regards,  Combustor.

Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister ST-1 starter
« on: February 25, 2013, 01:11:32 PM »
              Most Lister models came in either Clockwise or Anti-clockwise rotation. If you turn the crank handle clockwise to start it, then it is a reverse rotation (clockwise from flywheel end) engine.
If you crank the handle anti-clockwise then it is a normal rotation engine and you will need to select your starter type to suit. Seen a few people get caught out. Most Lister aircooled gensets in Australia were reverse rotation models.   Combustor.

General Discussion / Re: where is everybody from?
« on: February 14, 2013, 02:40:47 PM »
           Kimberley region,  far North of Western Australia.

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