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Lister Based Generators / Re: (2) 1/2hp motors on ST3 head?
« on: June 20, 2006, 03:15:51 AM »
Long story, but until there's a brushless DC boost pump I can modify to reduce EMI on, I'm stuck with an AC boost pump.  There's an expensive "solar" rotary vane model with a permanent magnet AC motor option with allegedly lower start up current.  I may have to go that route, though it is low output and the rotary vane pump (Dankoff) doesn't have the best reputation for durability. 

A DC linear piston pump with electronic drive (piston with permanent magnets attached, external coil over non ferrous cylinder) seems obvious for high effeciency off grid boost pumps, but nothing like it is on the market. 

I could adapt a brushless DC motor to a rotary vane or other type pump if I could find a suitable motor.



Not sure if this would work for you, but Dankoff makes a piston pump called the Solar Force that is extremely durable, moves a lot of water on little power, and is available in both DC and AC. Claimed to have a lower starting surge in AC model.   It's available a lot of places, but here's one example:

http://www.scsolar.com/Piston_and_Suncentric_Pumps.html

rg

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Lister Based Generators / Re: (2) 1/2hp motors on ST3 head?
« on: June 20, 2006, 01:39:17 AM »
First load 1/2HP submersible well pump, running at rated load.  Second load 1/2HP capacitor start jet pump.  I haven't picked the latter so if someone can suggest a low starting current model that would be good.  Manufacturers don't build the motors- so just say the usual 4-5x the rated current for starting current.  Not enough customers savy enough to generate start current plots, so it's a big crap shoot.

Bruce, are you committed to an AC jet pump for the 2nd load?   You could go DC, small battery bank, and low amp battery charger without overtaxing the ST3.  All depends on how much water and how much depth you have to work with.

Russell

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Straight Vegetable Oil / Re: I finally am generating AC on SVO
« on: June 19, 2006, 06:47:30 PM »
First, please let me add my congratulations on running the beast.

And second, a request -- will you please keep us posted about how you implement the waste heat co-gen setup?  The Taco pump has a good reputation in solar recirculation systems, so you already have one critical component ready to go.

All the best

Russell Groves

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Straight Vegetable Oil / Re: AT LAST THE TRUTH!
« on: June 19, 2006, 10:55:24 AM »
For anybody who's interested in real world information about canola as a farm product, here's a link to a story in Sunday's business and farm section of the Wichita Eagle.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/business/14843797.htm

Since I am in the business of selling oilseed presses,  I talk to a lot of guys who are getting interested in growing their own fuel crops.  There are damn few of them who can find their way to production, and even fewer of them who have any notions of getting large enough to supply the neighbors.  Even the biggest risk takers among farmers would not consider trying to grow oil crops by breaking out pasture, CRP, or marginal land.  The potential earnings are far outweighed by the potential losses in equipment, time  -- and especially, in tillable soil.  Highly erodible land can turn into waste land in a hurry if you try to till it.  At that point, you just as well strip mine it, or sell it for development. 

Quick note to Kyradawg.  Every few years, us here in flyover country hear some liberal pinhead agronomist or social engineer tell us how he knows better than we do how to manage our farm resource.  10 years back it was the Poppers, from fucking Rutgers in goddam New Jersey, who declared that we should all just move out of the Great Plains and let them turn it into a "Buffalo Commons"  Mostly it's blather, and we point and laugh.

Occasionally it looks more serious, like a property grab.  Then a lot of us, more than you will ever see on the news,  make silent plans to lock and load.

rg

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Straight Vegetable Oil / Re: AT LAST THE TRUTH!
« on: June 18, 2006, 08:02:18 PM »
Gentlemen, I love watching the dawgpile building here.

But I would remind you that Gaia Boy's words are best characterized by William Shakespeare in Macbeth

"A tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."


Very truly yours

Russell Groves

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Russell;
Thank you for the link!
I read that article about 30 years ago, and have been telling people about it. I originally read it in a book called "Home Book of Power" if I remember correctly. It was during the 'Oil Crisis' of the 1970's, I was a marine engineer cadet at the time.
I've been keeping an eye out for it in old book stores etc, now you drop this article in my lap!
Scott E

Glad to be of assistance.  Mother Earth News did a lot of biomethane articles back then.  JTF website has a lot of them reproduced.  John Fry and a Brit named Harold Bate were two of the patron saints of the day. Bate drove a car powered by compressed methane he made from digested chicken manure.
I intend to try some biogas fumigation with one of my diesels, as soon as I get the components in hand and get a digester set up.  I live walking distance from enough cows to power my whole place. 

Russell

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   I'de like to make a comment here. Years ago,I was doing some investigations into methane as an ae source. I found an article by a guy names "John Fry " from South Africa,a pig farmer who ran what appeared to be a Lister from the rather poor photo on methane,and just enoufh diesel for starting,and top lube. If I remember right,he used a valved line from the storage tank to the engine intake with some seel wool in it for a flame stop I think.
   Sorry ,I don't remember the source,but I think It all started from an article in MEN.

I've been doing a lot of research on biogas ahead of my offering biogas digester components for sale.

The article you're talking about is at:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/MENintvus/fryintvu.html

Take it with a few grains of salt. Mother Earth News wasn't usually concerned about getting all the details right.
And if anybody wants more reading on biogas methane, I have a load of links for you.

Russell Groves

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Straight Vegetable Oil / Re: AT LAST THE TRUTH!
« on: June 14, 2006, 03:45:18 PM »
Yeah, saw a bunch of sunflower fields, too.  These were low-growing plants with very small bright yellow flowers.  Canola's pretty common, so I guessed that might be it. 
Saw more than a few oil wells out there, too. 

Halfnuts

Sounds like canola to me too.  I have some oil press customers who grow a lot of it down in that part of the state, mostly under irrigation.

rg

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Straight Vegetable Oil / Re: AT LAST THE TRUTH!
« on: June 14, 2006, 01:22:45 AM »
Some might think, hell these guys need some grant money.... but really, farmers are extremely resourceful and don't need no "stinkin" grant money. If a crop can be grown in a way that produces a viable return they can take it from there.

I am guessing but I bet many farms that went under did so because of debt mismanagement. They were chasing markets that were being manipulated by subsidies that didn't come through. Are ther any articles in the "Grass and Grain" about alternative uses for vegetable oils? It's hard to see a way out when there is no money, no jobs and you struggle just to live. Been there. I need to look at those two mags you mentioned.

What these guys DON'T need is grant money.  They've spent so many years growing cheap cereal grains at a loss, waiting for the subsidy check, and bitching about the government and the local banker-- they don't know any other way.  There are some counties in western KS where the average age of a farmer is 72, and it's a rare person that age who will change anything. 

Debt mismanagement, yes, combined with hidebound tradition, lack of curiosity about anything, and the willingness to buy new machinery whenever the old stuff gets a scratch on it.  It is TOTALLY contrary to any business principles.

Once in a while you'll see an article in a farm magazine about renewable energy.  That's how farmers know it's always ten years away from being practical.

I have a few customers who are farmers, who are growing oilseeds and using my presses to extract the oil.  It is my deepest hope that their example will generate some imitators.  Upcoming issue of Farmshow will profile one of those guys, and I'll post the link to it when it shows up.

rg

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Straight Vegetable Oil / Re: AT LAST THE TRUTH!
« on: June 13, 2006, 07:01:39 PM »
AFAIK, Canola is cost competetive to produce. The demand for Canola could easily revive the farms in the midwest. If I lived there, I would be out scouting for farms for sale right now.

Take a look at "High Plains Journal" or "Grass and Grain", any issue.  There is a staggering number of farm auction sales, from retiring farmers or the estates of them who didn't get to retirement. I wish somebody was buying this land, other than the big players.  Better yet, I wish there was another generation of guys willing to take over the farm from dad. But that's not happening.  Vegetable oil might end up saving the farm economy out here, but for the moment all I see is same same.

Sorry for the digression and the rant. 

Russell Groves

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Listeroid Engines / Re: The sad truth about idler gear falures.
« on: June 12, 2006, 04:38:08 PM »
I had to replace the Idler in my Lister 16-2.  I was able to manage a slight discount, but list price on a Lister Idler gear is $345.29.  The shoulder bolt is $120.00+  What, are we still paying for the Revolutionary War?

It fits nice.  Should be much quieter now.  Still going back together.

Bob


Do I assume right, that you bought parts directly from Lister-Petter? 
That company has a policy across the board of giving little or no support to old products from their own line.  That's true of their whole line of industrial engines too.
So they charge through the nose for "Original L-P parts" that may or not have been made in the UK.  And that's why there's a big Indian manuacturing base for L-P aftermarket parts. Quality is generally pretty good too. It's easier to detect crap masquerading as parts before they are assembled into an engine.

All the best

Russell

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General Discussion / Re: Ping Ken Boak / Powercubes / Volvox
« on: June 02, 2006, 02:36:53 PM »
Russel--

I carry one of four small handguns everywhere I go.  I currently have a S&W Model 317 in my pocket and two M-34 Kit guns laying around. 
The model 317 is an AirWeight, 8 shot, 22 LR, also available in 22 WMR and two or three inch barrels.  Mine is 'stainless finished' and two inch.  I carry it in a glove leather slip holster in my left hip pocket until I go to the store...then it goes undercover.
  I was in a gunshop in Anchorage and a guy walked in wanting to sell the exact same gun...I gave him $200 cash for it and have it on the ATV as another spare.

I've tried a variety of rat/snake shot loads.  The CCI still perform the best in two inch barrels and the Federal crimped-ends  the worst.   (In the center fire calibers, Speer is way ahead.)
  I carry two rat shot loads first up (and ALWAYS shoot both on a snake) and six sub-sonic hollow points.  The HPs are usually used for signaling dogs, but there's an occasional packrat or skunk that needs attention.

Just for grins I just weighed the gun with ammo in it's light leather sheath--  363 grams,  12.8 oz.   I constantly bump my pocket to be sure it's still there.



Thanks, Hotater.  I've never paid much attention to rimfire shot loads.  I'll try a box of the CCI WMR's in my old Colt and see how they work. 
I sometimes load shot capsules in a .44 mag case.  Now that's entertainment!

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General Discussion / Re: All members - some thoughts.
« on: June 02, 2006, 12:35:03 PM »
I used to run a forrum on home brewing and a funny thing happened about a year and a half into it....
We ran out of things to talk about. Every now and then a newbie would join the list and ask the same questions again and the same people would say the same things, and things would quite down at Good Homebrewing a slow and withering death realy.
The reason is we focussed on the technical aspects of brew and less on the enjoyment of the hobby. We thumbed our noses at extract brewers and debated pointless things. Now a quick pop over to Hopland a sister site today shows a lot more posts because they drink and chat about beer some brew some buy and some just drink wine....

Setting limits on a forrum is kind of foolish, at some point we'll run out of things to say once we identify the best Indian cam gear and solve the gentle weep of coolant. This is a hobby to some and a way of life to others, what you run is less important than the fact you run something.

Let it be Stationary and IC is all I ask. Lets explore all the options of speed, fuel and aplication. Let's talk about producer gas and cooking oil out of turkey guts. Let's see pictures of homes, kids and cottages. Lets keep the door open for all manner of electrical equipment pumping systems and perhaps even Hvac.

When we close the door off topic we risk loosing good ideas and people who will keep the discussions lively and open.

Doug

To which I can only add ...AMEN!  We live with too many (externally imposed) rules as is is, without adding a lot more of our own.

Russell

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General Discussion / Re: Ping Ken Boak / Powercubes / Volvox
« on: June 02, 2006, 12:29:46 PM »
Russel,
You say "New Mexico". It's a big place.
I have spent time there with Friends in the "Mimbres" valley, a little east of Silver City, and west of the Black Range near a place called "San Lorenzo".
You also might beware of the scorpions, (common),
and the bugs that "get into bed" suck blood, usually from the "lower extremities" (Feet, ankles, etc). I can't remember the name, but ask around. NO JOKE. My friends are VERY careful about these, since "ocasionally", the "host" (human) gets sick.

Kevin
 

Hey Kevin, thanks for the tip. I'll ask around.  My place is east of Albuquerque, btw.
 There's another common parasite down there, the "bipedal interloper"
They breed prolifically, but nobody seems to care.   :(

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General Discussion / Re: Ping Ken Boak / Powercubes / Volvox
« on: June 02, 2006, 03:01:18 AM »
  Lately it's been rattlesnakes I've been 'up to my ears in'.  I bend my own pushrods trying to levitate when the buzzing starts.  I'm about 80% deaf and 20% tinnitis and rattlesnake buzzing takes up the WHOLE UNIVERSE!!!
  It's 'jump, shoot, and grab your heart' around here this time of year.   :o

Warning -- I know in advance this will be way the hell off topic.  And I don't much care.  Hotater, this one's for you.

I have a lot of rattlers on my place in New Mexico.  I will live out there a good part of each year. 
Do you have a favorite sidearm/caliber/load for them little buggers? 

Thanks

Russell Groves

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