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Generators / Re: AC or DC?
« on: January 31, 2007, 01:07:49 AM »
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You may only be using 12 volt configuration but if you have 200 amps reserve power or more you can weld with it.  It wouldn't be good for the batteries but you can see what a dead short in some part of your wiring would do!

I melted a 3/4" ring spanner one day on a 24V starter motor - was undoing the battery terminal and it swung around and touched the block - a small spark that welded it to the block, a yelp from me, and it began to glow. And glow and glow and glow, as two 12V atteriesb with an available cranking current of about 1300amps discharged fairly quickly. By the time I figured out it was the battery isolator stuck on and had wopped it with a convenient sledgehammer that was nearby, all the battery wiring was a bit on the hot and slightly-melted side.

My spanner was banana-shaped after that.... which was actually pretty convenient at times.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: GM-90 passes Tier 2 testing
« on: January 30, 2007, 07:21:56 PM »
So much wasted debate.

The EPA has a problem with diesel engines and pollution. What to do?

Solution? Regulate so that non-compliant engines can't be sold, chase down the sellers of non-compliant engines. The problem of increasing amounts of non-compliant engines (= pollution) thus dries up pretty quickly. Natural attrition slowly kills off all the non-compliant engines without any work from them. They don't care about your lister from 1976, they care about the 500 new ones being imported and set up every year.

They don't give a damn what you have in your shed, unless it's a listeroid factory, so quit the carrying on and try and tone the paranoia down a little.

Kudos to Mike - he's pioneering the engineering (and paperwork) needed to make an emissions-compliant slow-speed diesel engine at considerable expense. Which, will no doubt be copied by the remaining sellers of these general types of engines pretty quick.

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Everything else / Re: Design Parameters for cooling water system
« on: January 29, 2007, 03:07:38 AM »
I wonder if a drum-within-a-drum setup would be a better solution.

Eg. Weld a smaller drum inside a larger one, knock out the floor of the smaller drum so air can flow up the centre.
Less water, heats to temp quicker, but nearly twice the surface area of a single drum to radiate heat from.
Less heat transferred via evaporation from the top of the tank but that does mean less water used as well.

Would be cheaper for those that are using alternative coolants too.

For topping up, my tank will be connected to our house supply with a toilet cistern float valve in a separate pipe on the side, attached to bottom of the main tank with 1/2" pipe with a heat trap loop in it. This should be able to keep the tank level under control without cooking the plastic float valve.

Should being the operative word there, I haven't put it together yet.  :D


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General Discussion / Re: chaindrive
« on: January 28, 2007, 07:51:45 AM »
From the so-stupid-it-might-just-work dept:

- Mount generator (or as you mention, a line-shaft) above engine.
- Tension upwards with the same amount of force that the flywheel weight pulls downwards.
- Presto! No crankshaft flex at all.

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General Discussion / Re: Ever seen a 10/2 lister powered boat??
« on: January 20, 2007, 07:29:48 AM »
Hmmm.

I can't seem to see the required two tons of carefully-sized-and-engineered concrete anywhere there. Better get onto that guy pronto, the Lister Police will want to have some words with him.

Apart from that, wot's that gauge there? Water temp?

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Generators / Re: PM heads?
« on: January 14, 2007, 05:50:58 AM »
Ok, a small snippet of real-world info from the wattshop guy, as a reply to an email I sent him this morning :

> G'day.

Hi David

>
> I've been talking to Sam Warne over here in Australia about
> permanent magnet alternators and I noticed that you have one
> in use. Mind if I get your opinion of it?

sure no worries

>
> - How long has the one you've got been in use?

as of today 171 hours but it has been delibrately abused, loaded until the
6/1 blows soot.

> - How hot does it get when running fully loaded up?

depends of course how hard you load it. I have given my one some severe
abuse i.e overloaded by approx 20% for 1 hour and I could still leave my
hand on the machine. sorry not a very technical answer but I would say
less than 50 deg C. Mind you I used to work on boilers and have a high
tolerence to heat.

> - Do you have any issues with voltage droop from no to full
> load?

nope. 245 volts open circut 220 volts @ 3kW totally acceptable I have seen
bigger voltage swings on the grid

> - Drive any "tricky" loads with it - big motors with poor
> power factors, switchmode supplies or inverter/chargers?

In all honesty havent tried an inverter charger but I know from experience
the Outbacks I sell would think it was fine.

easy answer here, please see this page on my site if you haven't already

http://www.thewattshop.co.nz/workshop/PMG.html

my system utilises a stanbury (NZ made in Christchurch) switch mode 60A
24v charger no problem

In short David I am nagging & pleading for more of these things, I truly
believe that their best feature is that they are not sucking crud through
the windings, If Sam wants to unload some I would buy them tommorrow

if you have dust salt or spiders where you are these are the go IMHO
Admittidly the test period here has not been that long but I reckon you
could triple my hours with the abuse I have given it

I apologise if this sounds like the big pitch but i don't  know Sam at all
(have never had contact) and have nothing to gain by him selling one to
you

belive me when I say I would tell you if I thought they were crap

>
> Regards,>
> David

your welcome
Darren Hill
094050977
Kaeo
Northland New Zealand



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Generators / Re: PM heads?
« on: January 14, 2007, 01:40:31 AM »
Mine would/will be supplied by Sam Warne here in Oz, he's imported them from "somewhere" presumably from whereever the wattshop gets them from. I might chat to the wattshop guys over in NZ and see what their personal experience is. I wouldn't mind a bit of feedback from someone who's done a few hours on them.



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General Discussion / Re: engine mounting v 4.0
« on: January 13, 2007, 06:43:25 AM »
They'll be fine as long as they use the requisite 2 tonnes of concrete as the mount.

That's what it was originally for, wasn't it? To hide Lister's terrible quality control?
Come on, we all know that's the truth.

 ;)

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Generators / Re: PM heads?
« on: January 12, 2007, 10:01:13 PM »
Reviving this topic -

A little more info and a couple more photos have come to light -

http://www.thewattshop.co.nz/workshop/PMG.html

Hollow rotor shaft for cooling, although how effective that is is anyone's guess.
As the machine will be situated in wet rainforest near the ocean, I'm very interested in keeping the crud/salt/frogs/geckos etc out, so a fully sealed design is a bit of a drawcard.

Price to me works out about $1200 for the 240V(-ish  ;) ) 3kW one , or a little under double what I can get a ST head here for.



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General Discussion / Re: EPA ANSWERS
« on: January 11, 2007, 04:16:12 AM »
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thoughts?

Buy your engine with cash and pick it up yourself.
If anyone asks when you first install it, say that you've had it in storage at a friends place for many years and have only just gotten around to picking it up and putting it in.
If anyone asks a few years down the track, say that you can't recall who you got it from, and it was bought a while ago - you can't quite recall - but it was definitely sometime around 2001.

Doug : I'm not at work at the moment, but it's a reasonably low level for CO and particulates - engine tests before and after the catalyst normally give about a 10:1 reduction for those two. I'm not sure about SO2 - it has a pretty low level these days due to ULSD here - but the NOx emissions are pretty much unchanged. I'm not back until Sunday - I'll check for certain then. And I'm still waiting for the "Official" write-up from the mines dept for that hydraulic incident the other week.... the wheels of government turn sloooowly.

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General Discussion / Re: EPA ANSWERS
« on: January 11, 2007, 02:14:56 AM »
*shrugs*

A small catalytic exhaust purifier, positioned directly at the exhaust outlet and well insulated, would likely clean up the exhaust enough to pass emissions. Can anyone point me to the proper specs? I've an exhaust gas analyser at work and a few small diesel engines with and without purifiers there.

Something like (random google search) this page here:

http://www.dcl-inc.com/dieselparticulatefilter.cfm?lg=EN

or these:

http://www.dcl-inc.com/apppg.cfm?pg=mutileng&lg=EN

How much you're willing to spend on the unlikely chance of an EPA visit is up to you.

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Generators / Re: Magnetic Clutch???
« on: January 05, 2007, 09:16:42 PM »
Was looking at doing this , but in reverse for a starter motor.

It's quite do-able - small A/C compressors pull about 3kW at approx 3000rpm. And lets not forget the shock load when they engage. Might be a bit of a concern with the inertia of a generator though - I'd probably recommend a york compressor (the 2 cylinder version) clutch, they're pretty solid.

You can get new automotive clutches fairly cheap, and your local auto electrician / auto AC guy will have a pile of dead compressors about 3 foot high that you can snitch a clutch from.

Things to note:

- You need to do a bit of machining. The idler pulley normally runs on something like a 1.5" or 2" dia cylinder that is part of the front of the compressor, so you need to whip up one of those to suit your clutch and to sit on the front of the thing that you're driving.

- The coil sits underneath the idler. Best way would be to weld that cylinder above to a small plate then fix the coil to plate.

- Maybe you should just hacksaw off the front half of a compressor, it might be easier.  ;)

- The clutch plate is splined to the compressor shaft it's normally 10mm or so for small compressors. It's shimmed in and out at that point to get the proper clutch clearance (that is, minimal). You'll need to adapt that spline to drive whatever it is you want to drive.

- They've all got to have the same centres with a fairly close tolerance - idler/clutch/coil are all pretty tightly packed. There's a bit of give in the clutch plate , but too far off-centre and you'll scuff the friction plates.

- Make sure the switching voltage is either on or off via a relay. No gradual ramp up/down - that slips the clutch and burns it out. Ditto for DC fans on the same circuit (eg condensor fans) - as they spin down, their back emf makes the clutch disengage too slowly and burns it out pretty quick.


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General Discussion / Re: EPA
« on: January 03, 2007, 05:59:59 AM »
I'm just glad I live in an environmentally irresponsible country, where I can run pretty much any sort of engine I like off-road.  :D

Some of your regulators would have a seizure if they saw me mowing the lawn with my old 2-stroke.
"Hmm. A dollop of oil in the tank oughta do it. Jeez *cough* it's a bit smokey! Oh well... better too much than too little."

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General Discussion / Re: engine mounting v 4.0
« on: January 03, 2007, 05:53:35 AM »
With all of us all going in different directions with frames and various resilient mounts - some of them pretty interesting - it means that we can get some good data across a lot of varying setups and thus prove or disprove the general principle of resilient mounting once and for all. That is, if one person has trouble with his particular setup but six other people with differing designs are having no problems, we can generally pin it down to his particular design, not resilient mounts in general. A couple of different designs that work well with listeroids could be used as the templates for others to use.

Perhaps once everyone's got their own particular frame configuration sorted, we could do a generic set of steps for working with resilient mounts? How to use manufacturers data or how to do it by the seat of your pants, how to tell if/when you're going to get into trouble, things to look out for, safety considerations, how to tweak things, etc. Would probably save the next poor sod from having to read through about 500 pages of heated debate on various different threads.

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General Discussion / Re: engine mounting v 4.0
« on: January 03, 2007, 03:39:46 AM »
At some particular speed, your engine and the mount it is on will move in sympathy with an external force, of any size. The longer you stay at that speed, the worse it gets, regardless of the amount of force being put in.

There are two ways to get around this :

1. Move that resonant speed up to where you'll never reach it, by stiffening the mount. After a while, you go from rubber to wood to concrete - each step in stiffening increases the resonant speed. Unfortunately, the stiffer the mount, the more force is passed through it to your surroundings. Some people don't want that. As the mounts get stiffer, it gets to the point pretty quick where you might as well just bolt the thing down solid. If you have extra weight onboard, you can take that off as well to raise the resonant speed.

2. Lower the resonant speed to the point that - while you still pass through it on startup/shutdown - the initial imbalance forces are quite small and the engine is only ever briefly there. This requires either more mass, or softer mounts. Really, really soft mounts. For any average listeroid combination, it requires mounts that are so soft that rubber has a hard time filling that role, and air or extremely soft springs are needed.

My biggest concern is for people (bob, I'm looking at you  ;) ) who want to use "firm" rubber mounts. It's quite possible to find a resonant point that is at 500 or 800 RPM with this mount and the typical lister weight. The 500RPM is bad, the 800RPM one is worse, as you'll never really see that until something is wrong....

For testing, I would do the following:

Spin the engine up with the decompression on. Get it as fast as you can. Use a small motor, your big muscly arms, whatever. For a resilient mount, I would ideally like to see some jiggle as low in the RPM range as possible. If I can't find it by spinning the engine over and the mounts *are* resilient... I'd be concerned as it implies the resonant point is somewhere further up in the RPM range, where all that force and energy starts to get dangerous.

So say if I spin it over as fast as I can and find it jiggles at 120RPM from engine imbalance, that means it will also jiggle at 240RPM from power pulses. That should be fine - you pass beyond 240RPM pretty quickly when spinning up (one or two power strokes at full rack?), and when spinning down on decomp, there is no power pulse.

If I spin it up with a motor and find it jiggles at 300RPM.... that's bad, as it means the power pulses will jiggle it when it's running at 600RPM. Something would have to be done before I'd start that up.

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