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  Anyone ever wonder what will happen with all these electric vehicles and the government loosing tax revenue on fuel. The EV drivers will have to pay more taxes and fees to recover the loss of ICE revenue.
  The EV will cost more per mile than the ICE .

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General Discussion / Re: The future of electric Vehicles.
« on: April 29, 2018, 03:44:07 PM »

Fuel in NZ is very exy compared to here.  Is there a lot of tax on it?  More of the price of a litre of fuel here is tax than it is for the product.
People bitch about oil co's and the arabs but ones really doing the rorting are the gubbermint that make more money than anyone else and do nothing but collect the taxes ( on taxes as it is here) .

If Fuel is the huge cash cow for the gubbermint there as it is here, They will be out to make sure they maintain their revenue stream.
They will phase something in to do that or keep the EV's as lip service only.

A realistic observation on the potenial of EV's would be generation capacity. There is a big difference between having the base product ( water in this case) and being able to put it to work ( Hydro plants) . If the infrastructure is there to turn up the wick and make more power to feed the EV's, you are on a winner. If there would need to be more/ larger dams and plants..... That's a whole different story as is the distribution capacity of the grid even if there is the facilities in place which will just allow opening another valve and making more power. 

Maybe if demand for power for EV's exceeds the current Hydro capacity, The gubbermint could make more use of the thermal you have there.
Seems an under utilised power source if ever there were one.

What is this very expensive shift to Electric and it's drawbacks supposed to achieve ?

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Largest displacement listeroid single ?
« on: April 29, 2018, 12:33:00 AM »
Thanks 38c.
I did find reference in the archives (12 years ago), to Lovson export's "Super Single". I think this is the whale I was remembering seeing mentioned.

SCL-16;  16hp / 1cyl @ 670rpm  155mm bore X 204mm stroke"SUPER" SINGLE CYLINDER $1,025.00
SCL-20;  20hp / 1cyl @ 750rpm  155mm bore X  204mm stroke"SUPER " SINGLE CYLINDER $1,140.00
SCL-22;  22hp / 1cyl @ 800rpm  155mm bore X 204mm stroke "SUPER " SINGLE CYLINDER $1,160.00


235 c.i.d. (3.85L), 6 1/8" bore, 8" stroke, 300lb. flywheels (x2), one cylinder.  I don't see it referenced on Lovson's site anymore, Looks like their top dog is now just the "SLC-12 SUMO"; 1.7liter, 12hp @ 1krpm, 127mm x 139.7mm. I suspect they would/could still deliver the SLC super single upon request.

I also see Topland still offers the "18ADI2" 3.35L 20hp/1cyl, 155mm x 177.8mm,  as their heavyweight single.

I'm guessing the Rajkot mfrs aren't selling too many of these bigger units over there, since the India exporters are still overwhelmingly advertising the 8/10/12-1 clones as their lead product.

Maybe a coincidence but the John Deere Two Cylinder Diesel tractors Models 80,820,840 and 840 also used the 6-1/8" by 8" stroke dimensions .

 They are rated at 75HP at 1250rpm. That would be 18HP or so at 650rpm per cylinder . .

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General Discussion / Re: The future of electric Vehicles.
« on: April 29, 2018, 12:30:33 AM »
Happiness is a state of mind.

I guess we all are just a mass of stupids being lead around by one fake news story after another.  The move to electric everything is on the march.  I'm tagging along.

Cheers,

Won't be leading due to limited energy capacity and long charge times .

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General Discussion / Re: The future of electric Vehicles.
« on: April 23, 2018, 02:18:18 PM »
Bikes maybe an option in Australia but here not even snow tires make a bike rideable in blizzards .
 Regarding home builds, conversions and cottage industry EV’s . The percentage of the population that can spin wrenches and use a multimeter is steadily dwindling . Unless the vehicle manufacture is a large brand name with a dealership in every town . Who wants to risk being stuck without service support .
   Extreme mileage diesels in a micro vehicle at steady highway operation is one thing. It is simple enough to build a diesel with excellent efficiency operating at wide open throttle/full fuel rack at peak torque rpms . Fine for generators , irrigation pumps , marine propulsion and ploughing a thousand acres of corn field .   However operation of a light highway vehicle is every else than the conditions described above for high fuel efficiency and operation of tier IV emissions equipment .
   The EV is the environmentalist’s wet dream , charging on solar or wind turbines . Then again there is the real world where the greenie’s solution to all the world’s problems actually makes more trouble than it solves .

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Engines / Re: Cracks in piston insert
« on: April 22, 2018, 06:29:40 AM »
  Ether, one of the most common items that keeps engine rebuild shops in business.

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Engines / Re: petter ph1 problem starting
« on: April 22, 2018, 06:27:53 AM »
  The fuel rack has to has to move enough to make the pump element pump to the injector , or no fuel and no fire. 

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General Discussion / Re: The future of electric Vehicles.
« on: April 22, 2018, 06:26:06 AM »
  The best all around compromise to build an EV is the Chevy Bolt.
  The Leaf is a kid's go-kart made street legal, doesn't even have battery thermal regulation.
  As previously stated the Tesla has impressive highway miles at the expense of cost, size and weight. The energy required to accelerate and decelerate all that Tesla mass in stop and go around town driving makes it little better than the Bolt in range.

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General Discussion / Re: The future of electric Vehicles.
« on: April 21, 2018, 02:24:13 AM »
Tesla is a large vehicle to have enough internal volume for all the batteries . With wide  enough wheel track and long wheel base to carry all that battery weight with a low enough Center of gravity .

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Greetings All!!! New To me Twin Power Line.
« on: April 20, 2018, 12:06:25 PM »

I have never been a big Drinker although the last few years with things I have been though I have certainly given it a lot more of a nudge.
Thing is though, I can hold my booze way beyond what the normal person can. I have actually been properly tested, twice, in a research study.  They did it twice because I was so unaffected the first time they thought there was a cock up and so asked me to do it again. I got even better results the 2nd time.

Was surprising because I would have thought a non drinker would be a lot more affected than a regular drinker but apparently not so. I can drink a LOT of Booze and my blood alcohol reading is still easily within me being allowed to drive which was the purpose of the study which was done by a branch of the cops.
I can drink anything and don't like to mix spirits. Just over ice is perfect.  Only thing is I cannot stand Beer! About every 10 years I get talked into trying it again and it STILL tastes like cat's piss to me. Even the smell of it is off putting.

 If I go somewhere I usually have a Drink or 2 when I get there and then am happy to drink soft drink the rest of the night. If I ever pushed my luck, for sure I'd get done the way things go for me. I had a mate that was pretty fond of the turps. All the sudden I NEVER saw him drink a thing. I asked him once if something happened to change his habits or outlook. He said yes, I had Children. He also always had fairly expensive performance cars and he reasoned that if anything ever happened to the kids, he could get them to a hospital a lot faster than an Ambulance especially on the outskirts where he lived which would have been entirely true.  Now the kids are grown up, I guess he's used to not drinking and still never does.
Might be why he is so well off and cashed up.

Was funny a couple of weeks ago. Went and stayed at mates place who is fond of a drop.  We were going through half a dozen bottles of red a night and running out. His Mrs laughed how he would be off the planet and could barely speak and I was right as rain including the next morning.
I don't know how people drink like that regularly though, it gets bloody expensive! I thought I'd get something different one night and got some bourbon.  Mate was doing all the pouring in the kitchen and was just drinking red. Got a hell of a surprise when he said I had polished off the whole bottle and it wasn't even that late.

Turps seems to make people feel better about things. Wish it worked that way for me.
Just makes me feel worse when I figure out what it cost me and I really didn't get much for it. I can't even forget my troubles in my sleep! :0(

What is "red" ?

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General Discussion / Re: The future of electric Vehicles.
« on: April 20, 2018, 12:04:05 PM »

I'm not sure it would.

What I do think would happen is there would be a huge outcry for more renewable investment and Subsidies for home batteries etc.
 Some people especially in the business sector would  accept a ship as a very temporary measure but I don't think that would change the overall protests and outcry.

The only thing nuke we have here is a reactor that makes Medical Isotopes and that isn't popular either.

 The trained mentality is already overwhelming renewable's and the gubberments here have been pushing that down our throats as well. Much was made of having to sign the paris agreement which is totally and utterly useless to us  but was hugely supported.  Whoever let things go to the point a nuke ship ( not that we have any) would have to be parked in the harbour to provide Power would only be heard of again when they went missing or their bodies washed up on the beach.

There was brief talk of putting a reactor out in the dessert a few years ago, a US company from memory wanted to do it but the population lit up about that so much even the nuke industry spin doctors ran away from it.

No power so we parked a nuke battleship in the harbour to provide it would still not go down well at all.
The only thing that would be accepted here is Solar, wind and you may get some Hydro past approval but that would be a job as well.

  I wonder how those in favour of wind, solar and demand coal fossil to be torn down. How do they accept the cost and pollution from fleets of standby/peaking medium diesel gensets ? Or are they so out of touch with reality that these social justice warriors and public . That they are either unaware of the diesel gensets or they believe anything is cleaner than coal ? 

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General Discussion / Re: The future of electric Vehicles.
« on: April 20, 2018, 12:38:23 AM »
There is a lot of oil produced in the Middle East however most is destined for Eastern Asia and Western Europe . The US is supplied mostly from Canada and  Venezuela.

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General Discussion / Re: The future of electric Vehicles.
« on: April 20, 2018, 12:32:08 AM »

 Buy stock in Saudi Arabia of course.

I never cease to be amazed at why Americans think all ( or the majority) of their oil comes from the Middle east??

As I have tried to point out, at length, electric cars are not the issue. Finding the power to run them is.
I have a LOT of clear roof space and certainly more than the average home owner which I'm filling with panels . I couldn't put enough panels up to keep an electric car charged for my wife's daily Commute let alone charge my Daughters and my car.

Just like oil, when the demand for power goes up, so will the price.  Nuke is not the solution there because completely opposite to the touted " cheap" power, it is in fact the most expensive.

The few times Nuke powered ships have come into our harbors, there have been huge protests and outcrys. Trying to dock one permanently to supply power would be a completely impractical idea and get which ever gubbermint who tried it thrown out on their arses overnight pretty much.
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 Most of the protestors are bored people, that are not cold, sick or hungry with time on their hands . Hey are looking for drama , attention and meaning to their existence.
    These same malcontents need to spend A few months in nations where food, housing, healthcare , education, heating, cooling, transportation , communication , safety and security are luxuries .
 

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General Discussion / Re: The future of electric Vehicles.
« on: April 18, 2018, 05:45:02 AM »
   33,000 homes with 20Kw hr of batteries . Given an average of 12hr of daylight, with the first two hours after dawn and the last 2 hours prior to sunset . There is 8 hours of charge time and 16hrs of every 24hrs  reliant on batteries.
  How large are the roofs on these homes to support enough PV panels to power the home during the daylight loads of heating, cooling, cooking, entertainment, fridge, freezer etc plus charge 20Kw hr of batteries.
   Over the 16 hrs of non PV generation per day all those batteries can produce is 41 Mw of power.
    As there are losses in charging, discharging and conversion to AC, count on a loosing 20% or more of that 41Mw per hour over 16 hours. Also consider short winter days with the sun at a lower angle .
  As peak demand on the Australian utility grid is 47,000Mw..............good luck with your battery storage. That is 47 million homes . Actually 59 million as lithium batteries should not be operated from 0% to 100% to 0% .
   PV and batteries all sound well and good with noble goals etc. However the practical combination is nuclear baseload, PV daytime peaking with fossil carrying the morning and evening peaks when PV production is lost.     
   Liquid metal or molten salt fission reactors are the solution for utility grid power.
   btw what was the retail price of power prior to the subsidized solar and wind generation being built vs after ?   

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General Discussion / Re: The future of electric Vehicles.
« on: April 17, 2018, 08:18:56 PM »
Glort is absolutely right in his assessment that the electricity grid is completely unable to provide the megawatts required to charge the Australian fleet of vehicles. At present our grid is incapable of supplying sufficient energy to cover air conditioning on hot days. The idea that my ability to travel to work or to go to the shops (100 km round trip) should be determined by an already over stretched distribution/generation system frightens the life out of me.

So what can we do about this? I believe that Glort has comprehensively proved that PV systems can produce more electricity than he knows what to do with, at a very low capital expenditure. The problem as always is storage/distribution of this energy and the gubermints dependence on the revenue from fossil fuels.

Perhaps what is needed is a complete change in the way we tackle this issue, imagine a motor vehicle with multiple fuel capabilities. It could recharge and store power from solar PV systems when you are at home but also act as a generator when the grid goes out or possibly provide an off grid supply. I don`t know how to build such a vehicle but I suspect that someone on this forum probably does and I look forward to their input.

Bob

Extra cost, extra space required and extra weight will make the larger batteries impractical . When and where is there going to be surplus power to re-charge these batteries after driving to work or driving home . Having these batteries provide enough power to carry the utility grid ......then where and when will they be re-charged enough to drive the vehicle to work or home from work.
    How many electric vehicles would it require to supply the utility grid with an extra 1000 Mw for eight hours .

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