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Listeroid Engines / Re: Another one lives!
« on: April 23, 2008, 04:45:51 PM »
MG---

The point is to NEVER let the engine run without a load, when it's new.
 The 2x4 'load' puts a LOT of smoke in the air but no measurable heat into the flywheel.  Less than one degree, anyway.  I 'shot' my MT-II engine with a IR gun for a solid two hours during start-up and break-in before putting the belt on the ST-5.  That engine has never used a drop of oil, nor a minutes trouble and has only been taken down for 'cleaning' once and didn't need it. 

You'll find 200F near the Tstat housing and 375 near the exhaust outlet, but flywheels will always be within a degree or two of average air temperature....cooler than the air during the day and warmer at night, two by four or not.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Another one lives!
« on: April 23, 2008, 02:00:24 AM »
Congratulations!!  It's always good to turn fuel into noise, but you need LOAD on the engine to break it in.  Otherwise it'll be a slobbering beast.

All you need is a 2x4 and fresh air to load it down with a 'Breckenridge load tester'. 

Rig a simple lever from a 2x4 about six feet long.  Place the fulcrum about a third of the way from the short end which contacts the bottom of the flywheel.  Add weight to the long end until the smoke flies and run it that way for an hour....you'll need cooling.

If you're 'ear tuning' RPMs I'll bet you're 20% too high.  Six hundred rpm is 'restless leg syndrome' knee jiggle speed.  Another way to tell is looking at a six spoke flywheel under 60 cycle florescent lights.  Stable spokes means 600 rpm.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: governor linkage woes.
« on: April 13, 2008, 10:53:56 PM »
If a pin binds in a hole it's usually because the end of the pin is too sharp.  Grind an angle on it.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: EPA Certified engine
« on: February 21, 2008, 01:15:31 AM »
Doug--

At my other hot water properties I've had great water.  Here there is some sulfur and the water is notably 'soft'.  I told some people today that washing hair in this water feels like massaging egg whites.
  I'm drinking spring water with a dash of pool chemical from five gallon jugs.   One reason I'm here is to rebuild the old wooden spring boxes and get the 'wildlife' to a manageable level.  It's scary to see what clogged the pump, sometimes.  I drink more out of the gravity spring  that I don't have to look into as often.  :o
  Natural hot water grows things most folks have never seen......including Center for Desease Control, probably.

I have a very limited resource here compared with the prior two hot water places.  At Kanaka Rapids I had up to 900 gallons a minutes of 92 degree artesian water @ 60psi.  At Magic Hot Springs (see stories at utterpower.com) I had 139 gpm @115  with no pressure and all the hot water below the building.  Here, at 'Warm Springs', south of Oakley, Idaho, I have 26 gpm @113 with a building falling down close to the springs and 160 acres downhill to build 'the boss' place' on.  I'm going to rebuild the old building into house and shop (using PEX and insulation), but will have to run a small circ. pump for heat.  The builders of the place didn't have a pipe friction chart and built the building only 22 inches below the springs with too much piping for the pressure and the pipes have  since rusted out.  It'll be cheaper to run a pump than move the building.

The new place will be a sheltered picnic area with a  small kitchen, two dressing rooms, some storage and a control room..... and three pools.  One is a cooler, bigger, kids, summertime pool, outside.  The other two are soaking pools.  One is the bashful ladies totally indoor pool and the other will be my "masterpiece of indoor-outdoor, cave entrance and zero edge view of the lights hundreds of feet below and spreading (along section lines) across the Snake River Plain pool" of about 1500 gallons.   My other places have been in canyons with limited view, this place has snowcaps at 140 miles away shining on clear days and lights on velvet at night.

AND, just because you're a Canuck-semi-commie, union thug with a good sense of humor, I'll throw this in for free-  ;)

I've worked 23 jobs, never been a union member, have never USED what health insurance they gave me, and spent the retirement money they gave me back......on tools and stuff.
So, now I'm nearly social securiety age (with tendencies toward neither), with less income than most, more freedom that most, and pretty damn happy the way things have turned out.

  My current 'position has been negotiated over the last three months with a large family that owns these springs and the surrounding ranch land.  I am the designer, general contractor, architech, caretaker, security guard, historian, cannon range operator and host to the family once a year when they have their family reunion here (and 48 hour warnings other times).  In return, they buy all the materials and rent the equipment and hire the grunt labor for first, my place, then theirs, and the job of improvements and upkeep is mine for life.  It has grid power, but only because they ran it in for the commercial operation...it's at the dead end of several miles.  There is one neighbor in cannon range but no road between us.
 The first (proposed) contract treated me like a potted plant to be moved cheaply.  The final contract treats me more as a rock outcropping with a big tree on it.  Its more a combination of contract, marriage, adoption and surgical implantation.
  Today I broke through the snow drifts and went to town for the first time in three weeks.  I love it here.

Just ONE hermit model American talking here, but I like that better than the securiety of some business paying me to please go away after XX number of years, with a 'pension'.

The GOOD thing is this:  either of us are free to choose which we prefer and what best works for us.  Compared to the patrimony (I think that's what they call the eldest son the only inheritor.) systems of Europe, we've come a long way in personal freedom and security.....and freedom to make  a damn fool of ourselves if the plans for the future turn into picking a better grocery cart and sleeping bridge because nobody would 'give us a break'.

Only those that work their way upstream see the mountains.

Did I tell you there's a stone quarry on the property?  My next ton of concrete Lister foundations will LOOK better!
 

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Listeroid Engines / Re: New JKSON 6/1 owner
« on: February 20, 2008, 10:43:07 PM »
Curtis---
I appreciate the offer but I'll wait til I make another Talladega race and OD again then.  Jim and Ed's is better on some things,  but Deamland has the atmosphere...once you get past the armed guards in the parking lot.

How's the engine coming?  It's a great thing you do for the kids.

My grandad always said, "If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

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Listeroid Engines / Re: EPA Certified engine
« on: February 20, 2008, 10:36:08 PM »
Stan--

The Yellowstone volcanics passed through here about 9.6 million years ago on it's way to Wyoming.  (the Snake River Plain is the track.)  It left a LOT of hot water behind.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: EPA Certified engine
« on: February 20, 2008, 05:02:26 AM »
Somebody ask me whats the best thing about having natural hot water.  I said if you flush first, the seat is warm.  SOLD

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Listeroid Engines / Re: EPA Certified engine
« on: February 20, 2008, 03:50:24 AM »
....or mount a nice seat on top........

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Listeroid Engines / Re: EPA Certified engine
« on: February 19, 2008, 01:44:48 AM »
Remember Doug, it's the thought that counts.......

not the BS I might say.   ;D

Diesel Dave--  Why not a re-inforced concrete crankcase with steel inserts for bolting plates and places that needs an accurate hole.
THEN call the EPA.....

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Pictures of my trailer
« on: February 18, 2008, 12:29:34 AM »
Chris--

The governor set up is plumb, by God, CUTE!!
Good work,  well done.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: EPA Certified engine
« on: February 18, 2008, 12:24:11 AM »
I agree with Bob.  The Canadian socialist finally lightened up.    ;D

<<scanning the sky to the ENE for incoming cruise missles with a moose on top.>>

 :o

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Listeroid Engines / Re: EPA Certified engine
« on: February 17, 2008, 03:31:11 PM »
I think in order to be able to wade through the vast puddle of bureacratic BS you have to have a market that pays top dollar.  Telecommunications, goverment, civil works, large commercial operators.   The fittings for your blue hoses is a good example....SOMEBODY spent a bunch of money to get those approved for commercial bid list.  That somebody is almost always venture capitol firms and R&D underwriters because it sometimes takes cubic dollars to get the FIRST widget for sale.

Sorry to hear of the misfortune......as I said in the beginning, I'd rather spend money on camoflauge for my Lister than permits, certificates, liscenses or tags.

The EPA  "targets" are attached to the end of a political flag and unless you got a lot of money to GIVE TO unproductive people, it will not be hit.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: intake rod rotating slower
« on: February 14, 2008, 01:35:13 AM »
The intake side has a shorter duration so doesn't rotate as much as the exhaust...which practically spins.  While you're checking for rotation be sure to look at the lash caps.  The ones I've ground rotate and some others don't.  I don't know what's 'normal'.

What is the valve clearance when the engine heats up?  If it closes up more than about 30% I'd worry, but they usually get looser.

(You gotta jiggle really fast with the feeler gage to measure it)   ;D

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Queston about kits
« on: February 14, 2008, 01:27:40 AM »
Quote
my only worry is that as anal as I tend to be with this kind of thing it will probably take me five years to be satisfied enough to put the thing together.

Meet Doug, above. .     ;D

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Pictures of my trailer
« on: February 13, 2008, 05:05:19 AM »
As I sit here and type, my Listeroid is bolted securely to a ton or more of reinforced concrete.   The bad thing is that the concrete is 75 miles of snow-closed road from me!  The trailer seems a good idea about now.    ;)

Good job!   Tell me about the blue hoses with no clamps...

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