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3031
Listeroid Engines / Re: Lister identification required.
« on: December 02, 2006, 05:57:44 AM »
The ST1 is a great little engine. 4319ST130-06
bore/stroke 3.75 x 3.5
0.63 liter displacement
BHP continuous
8.1 @ 2000rpm
7.3 @ 1800rpm
6.0 @ 1500rpm
4.7 @ 1200rpm
fuel consumption at full load - 0.405 at 1800 and 1200 rpm

Yours is originally a 50hz 1500rpm genset build.
let me know if you need manuals or parts for this machine, our stock is very comprehensive for these.

Gary
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3032
Engines / Re: Lister Manuals
« on: December 02, 2006, 04:00:48 AM »
This is some additional Big End bearing instruction taken from Lister manuals for the CS 6-1.
Connecting Rod Big End Bearing

These are steel back white metalled shells in the bottom half and lead bronze in the top half and must not be scraped or touched up in any way. The running clearance with the crankpin should not exceed 0.003 in. (0.076 mm.).
When assembling the bearings on the connecting rod it is most important that the backs are scrupulously clean and that there is interference between the bearing and the bore of the connecting rod. This interference, or nip, is measured by placing the bearing in the connecting rod, tightening both bolts to the normal extent, then slackening one bolt only and measuring the corresponding gap in the rod at the parting line. This gap should be between 0.004 in. (0.102 mm.) and 0.006 in. (0.152 mm.).
Ensure the dipper is secure before replacing the connecting rod cap; it is screwed in place and 4 dots punched into the circumference prevent turning. Place a cork over the end of the dipper whenever working in the crankcase to avoid injury to the hands.
Tightening torque for big end nuts is 55 lb. ft. (7.6 kg. m.)

3033
Engines / Re: Lister identification required.
« on: December 02, 2006, 03:34:31 AM »
The ST1 is a great little engine. 4319ST130-06
bore/stroke 3.75 x 3.5
0.63 liter displacement
BHP continuous
8.1 @ 2000rpm
7.3 @ 1800rpm
6.0 @ 1500rpm
4.7 @ 1200rpm
fuel consumption at full load - 0.405 at 1800 and 1200 rpm

Yours is originally a 50hz 1500rpm genset build.
let me know if you need manuals or parts for this machine, our stock is very comprehensive for these.

Gary
diesel-electric.us

3034
Engines / Re: Lister Manuals
« on: December 02, 2006, 03:16:05 AM »
From the Lister instruction book regarding conrod big end bearings (CS types);

clearance should not exceed .003". So that the two halves of the bearing shall register firmly one against the other, the Big End cap is made to draw up to within .002in. of the top half. This "nip" should be measured with a feeler guage after assembly, and before the Big End nuts are tightened. New Big End Bearings will require a certain amount of hand scraping when being fitted.

From the Lister data book - technical data page 44;

Main journals wear limits: .008"
Rod journals wear limits: .007"

Page 42 in the same manual is difficult for me to read due to age/wear. If anyone has this document and can copy us page 42 that would add some important crankshaft size and machining data.

Hope this helps,

Gary
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3035
Listeroid Engines / Re: Lister w/ DI and Nat Gas fuel
« on: November 30, 2006, 02:27:58 AM »
There are quite a number of natural gas setups that run on Lister HR2 and HR3 machines (and many others) in the oil patch. The engines use a completely different concave piston design and have a spark igniter added in place of the injector in the head. Anyway, there are parts available from these setups in the Canadian and US oil-patch areas that may provide useful parts for tinkering with. I have some experience with Gasoline/Propane conversions but not Diesel/Propane in the ways suggested on this forum. I do know that engine deposits are greatly reduced but at the same time exhaust valve heating becomes an issue so mixture and timing becomes critical to avoid valve and valve seat failures from overheating.

Gary
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3036
Engines / Re: Lister Manuals
« on: November 30, 2006, 12:54:07 AM »
Phaedrus,

I can email the spec for your 6/1 crankshaft journals and bearing clearances from our data book.

Gary
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3037
Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Identify This lister (Pics)
« on: November 30, 2006, 12:44:22 AM »
Doug,

I'll be traveling South next month. If you think there are a lot of junk Listers around, I would be willing to detour.

Gary

3038
Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Identify This lister (Pics)
« on: November 29, 2006, 12:12:28 PM »
Yep, thats Alaska pricing for you. Remember that the price mentioned was for a fully remanufactured machine including generator head. Ours is a relatively small market but still a good one for us, lots of off-grid homesteads. Air-cooled Listers are the mainstay. Freight on heavy iron these days is a tough nut but if I knew where to fill any rail cars with the old Lister iron I would be all over it. I have looked into some Canadian oil-field junk in the past but had to decline based on their terms and the nature of their equipment.

Gary,
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3039
Engines / Re: Lister Manuals
« on: November 29, 2006, 12:02:08 PM »
Hello,

From your serial # your machine was built in 1963. The full specs for the ST series are readily available, I can email some pages if you like. Same goes for the manuals.

Gary
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3040
Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Identify This lister (Pics)
« on: November 28, 2006, 08:03:04 AM »
I agree about the "obscene price" comment but the single cylinder machines are in short supply and very high demand. A 2 cylinder machine sells for half the price of a single. at any rate we usually pay high dollars for any singles we can find, regardless of condition. Oil field equipment is an excellent place to look for old Listers that can be rebuilt. This is the core of our business model - supplying overhaul kits for the old Listers as well as "recycling" any we can find out of junkpiles and scrapyards.

Gary
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3041
Other Slow Speed Diesels / Re: Lister HR3
« on: November 28, 2006, 06:06:06 AM »
Does your unit have cold start cups/plungers installed? If so, then injecting a couple tablespoons of engine oil here will lube the top cylinders and bring up the compression allowing for better starting of a cold engine. One other method I've used for starting derelict engines is to inject a spray of WD40 into the intake port during cranking. Never use starting fluids or ether in these engines, but WD40 will start and run an otherwise balking engine and allow you to diagnose other problems without a teardown. The WD40 is also good for loosening stuck rings and getting the upper cylinders lubricated. These engines will sometimes stick the valves in their guides especially after sitting long, so you also will want to pull the valve covers and check the valve travel on each one and be sure they are not hitting the pistons due to carbon build-up. This approach may reduce the amount of initial work you have to do to determine your actual engine condition. If you can make the unit run and pull a load you can also decarbonize it to a great extent via water mist injection into the intake port while the engine is at full operating temperature. Steam is a pretty effective cleaning agent. This will not help much with sticky valves though. Hope this is helpful, good luck with your engine!

Gary
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3042
General Discussion / Re: LISTER GOES TO CHINA?
« on: November 25, 2006, 06:56:55 PM »
Does anyone know a resource for additional information on the workings of Lister England and relatively recent changes? Who owns what, management and the like?

Thanks!

3043
Other Slow Speed Diesels / Re: Lister HR3
« on: November 23, 2006, 08:28:51 AM »
Yes, there are many applications using a direct-drive shaft extension that bolts directly to the flywheel. Some marine applications I've seen also have a gear-reduction drive installed. In my experience, the Twin-Disc clutch is a nice way to couple the engine to its load and these are very common around the oil-patch. There are standard SAE adapters to fit the Lister fan housing for close-coupled applications so the clutch need not come originally from a Lister engine.

Gary
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3044
Engines / Re: Lister Manuals
« on: November 23, 2006, 08:12:05 AM »
Documents currently in-print can be purchased at Lister retail. Out-of-print volumes can be purchased at an average $20-$25, or these can be scanned to pdf files about $10 per, or reprinted into booklet form $15-$20. The pricing is intended to cover only the costs for the service paper/reproduction/digital storage, not to generate revenue based on the document content. Intent here is to keep a comprehensive library of service information accessible for the old Lister stuff, especially obsolete machines. I have found the time to get this stuff put up on the web-site so thought this forum an appropriate place to offer them. If you have any documents not in the list, I would be interested in trading to fill in the gaps.

Gary
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3045
Other Slow Speed Diesels / Re: Lister HR3
« on: November 22, 2006, 04:56:29 AM »
I also have excellent parts coverage for the SR series including forgings & castings. It appears that the tips offered for this model all seem to be correct. I will be very interested in seeing if the SR can handle burning WVO or other non petroleum fuels. The valves and ports are quite small on this model though, and might present some immediate problems with carbon build-up. I would guess that running the machine at maximum loads/temperatures will help as it does in burning conventional fuels. There is also a variable speed governor set-up available for this model or you could fabricate your own.

Gary
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