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General Discussion / Re: Engine/flywheel failure poll
« on: December 28, 2006, 11:14:53 AM »
I agree as well, Incognito... the rants I have observed here are tiresome and do little to help understand and deal with real problems.

Gary
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3017
Listeroid Engines / Re: Which Listerdoid companies do reply to enquires?
« on: December 28, 2006, 11:07:29 AM »
Poweranand "Powerline" quotes approximately $900 for 2006 delivery to US Seaports. 2007 increases are beginning at 7% across the board. This does not include the myriad other import and customs costs once it lands in the USA plus any overland shipment costs required here.

Gary
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Engines / Re: Where to buy a listeroid
« on: December 27, 2006, 04:17:21 AM »
We will also have a shipment of the Indian CS type clones in the shop soon. Our location is Central Kansas so should be pretty easy shipment in the Midwest. We specified high-end best quality on all the parts - but results remain to be seen. I have long-standing business relationships with engineering firms in India and can work on the problem of QC until we get reliable results. I will keep our results posted when they come in. We also have original Listers but none of the older CS variety at present. The closest thing to CS we have available in original Listers are FR models at the present time but lots of the newer equipment and parts of course.

Best Regards,

Gary
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Everything else / Re: TEXAS owned listers?
« on: December 21, 2006, 05:56:49 AM »
If central Kansas (Chase) is not too far for you, I have a parts depot there. I have dozens of original Listers, and will be bringing in a container of Indian clone samples in about 60 days. An associate nearby, Russell Groves, also has experience with expeller presses and may have some of those for sale.

Gary
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3020
Engines / Re: manual or info needed
« on: December 18, 2006, 05:38:38 AM »
I have all the manuals, parts, and expertise/details for your ST1. Let me know what you need in particular and I will be glad to help you out.

Best Regards,

Gary
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3021
General Discussion / Re: Out-of-box experiences, or "why bother?"
« on: December 17, 2006, 10:04:54 AM »
I have a suspicion that Indian engines are probably better then the ones they ship to the"Yanks".  I think they probably send us the scrapped out ones. They get the money send the junk and being on different continents protects them.  Since we have no alternative we accept that and rebuild a newly manufactured engine.  I think running one without rebuild is risky because something could go wrong and do serious or unrepairable damage.   It's safer to prevent that from happening.  It's kind of hard to say how a rebuilt one would compare to a stock one because the quality varies so widely.  It would be neat just to fire one up out of the crate and see how long it runs until it fails.

I was told the opposite by a friend of mine in the business in India. They will sell various quality engines, the run of the mill cheapest is normal for consumption in the Indian market and the higher quality stuff is available for export to those willing to pay the extra $$ for it. They actually refer to OEM and non-OEM parts as well, to differentiate between quality levels.

Gary
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3022
Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister Start O Matic SL1 (1965)
« on: December 09, 2006, 08:15:09 AM »
I got the SL1 prime mover part... plenty familiar with those.

The generator model is what is needed for exacting diagnosis and repair from the standpoint of component identification and adjustments.

Gary
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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister Start O Matic SL1 (1965)
« on: December 09, 2006, 08:00:30 AM »
Clean slip rings,
check Rectifier MR or MR1,
adjust main field Rheostat FR1 or FR3

There are many SOM variations so these suggestions from the SOM instructions may require adjustment.

Best of luck with your machine, feel free to email me if you would like more details or parts.

Gary
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3024
Everything else / Re: Low buck vibration isolation mount
« on: December 03, 2006, 05:57:17 PM »
Yes, i concur that the 'pyromatic' or 'fusible' valve as is code for heating systems is the way to go for fuel cut-off in the event of fire at the delivery point. At least this will stop additional fuel from being immediately spewed into an inferno. I can't say that the device would halt the disaster that would apparently be underway when the device is tripped(melted), but it certainly could be a good step in the direction of controlling the fire spread.

On some of the high-temp and high-volume fuel rings such as used in a Detroit Diesel there is also an issue related to the chemical interactions between copper and diesel fuel. Perhaps this is a non-issue for the small Listers due to a very low fuel flow. At any rate, it is another potential factor against using copper with diesel.

Gary
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David Edgington has published a series called "Know Your Lister". Some of them may no longer be in print. You might try eBay for these books and others.

I have not dealt with the publisher's web-site so I cannot speak to their funtionality there. You can add a piece of software to your browser to stop the annoying ads and pop-ups. This has helped me deal with that mess.

Best of luck!

Gary,
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Everything else / Re: electrolitic corrosion
« on: December 03, 2006, 07:03:50 AM »
We work mostly on high-speed diesels - Detroit Diesel, Caterpillar and the like. The SCA coolant additive is a critical maintenance issue due to cavitation and corrosion issues in the cast iron parts. It is something you can monitor easily with a litmus-type test strip that you dip into the coolant and compare with a chart to determine ppm of the nitrite component in the additive. It is important to avoid too high a concentration because of unwanted deposits in hot-spots in the engine which degrade cooling performance. Some of these engines have been known to self-destruct in the absence of such protection.

I was also wondering about cavitation issues with the slow-speed Lister diesel and whether there was anyone with enough run-time on their equipment to be able to tell. My uneducated guess would be that the slow-speed Lister would not generate the vibration frequencies to produce the destructive cavitation bubbles in the coolant. Has anyone investigated this?

Gary
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Everything else / Re: Low buck vibration isolation mount
« on: December 03, 2006, 06:45:52 AM »
I work on standby power installations all around Alaska. In the years I've been doing this job I've seen quite a number of fire disasters that originated in diesel generator sheds. If your generator is housed anywhere near, adjacent, or attached to your living quarters then I would second the caution about NOT using copper for fuel delivery lines. For fuel supply we use properly anchored black-iron-pipe in all our generator installations with flexible/reinforced connections and fire safety valves at entry and delivery points. This caution is suggested because of fire safety issues related to any fuel type regardless of its apparent safety under normally controlled situations.

Best of luck with your installation

Gary,
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3028
Engines / Re: Lister identification required.
« on: December 02, 2006, 09:19:38 PM »
Sounds like a proper combination although you may not realize a full 5KVA at 1500. Condition and tune on your engine has a lot to do with actual output and the ratings listed are ideal numbers. From experience, I would expect to get between 4 and 4.5 kW out of an average ST1. An oversized head will add a bit of protection against overload as you will be limited by horsepower rather than winding capacity.

Gary
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Edgington's book series are an excellent place to start. History and detail, detail, detail. There is also quite a wealth of information on the web that you can surf and sort.

The CS engines with indirect injection seem to be the most promising machines for WVO. Carbon build-up is one of the major issues that varies with various engine types. Others on this forum can probably provide their own first-hand info on this topic. I believe that the HA/HB/HR machines built with the heavy-duty piston can run well on alternative fuels. Some have been used in the Pacific with copra oils.

Hard to beat an original Lister for a beautiful piece of machinery, some of the clones are also OK but there is a very wide range of possible outcomes with those things.
Many original machines are available from the USA and Canada that can be rebuilt, or you can purchase a reconditioned machine ready to run. You will not find many of the older CS type machines but there are many good engines from the more modern series that are viable and cost effective.

I feel your pain regarding shipping heavy iron these days. This issue has forced me to change my business approach and embark on some fairly expensive changes in order to try and remain competitive.

feel free to email me if you want some particulars on Lister originals and parts/service in the USA. gsj@gci.net

Best Regards,

Gary
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Lister Based Generators / Re: Lister identification required.
« on: December 02, 2006, 05:58:22 AM »
The ST1 is a great little engine. 4319ST130-06
bore/stroke 3.75 x 3.5
0.63 liter displacement
BHP continuous
8.1 @ 2000rpm
7.3 @ 1800rpm
6.0 @ 1500rpm
4.7 @ 1200rpm
fuel consumption at full load - 0.405 at 1800 and 1200 rpm

Yours is originally a 50hz 1500rpm genset build.
let me know if you need manuals or parts for this machine, our stock is very comprehensive for these.

Gary
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