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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: 1940 CS 5/1
« on: February 21, 2021, 06:47:00 AM »
Quote from: 38ac on February 19, 2021, 12:47:52 AM
To the best of my knowledge only the very early engines had a smaller diameter crank pin, actually the very first engines had 1 7/8 mains and two piece main bearing housings borrowed from the parent engine, the model L gas, oops petrol engine. All were recalled best I have read. Past the early versions, which you do not have. A 5/1 only differs from a 6/1 in the operating RPM and HP rating the crank, bearings and rod are same part number. Good luck with your gib keys, my current shop project took me about 20 hours to remove one key and flywheel die to a botched attempt to cut the key out with a torch. If the decide to drill the key as Gary suggested it is best to make a drill guide which is a short piece of the proper sized key with a hole drilled thought it exactly on center and square.

Thanks for that input... I have been inside a few of the early 3/1 and 5/1 engines. Here is what I found... 2" main bearings and the smaller rod journals in my specimens. It was very easy to assume that the 3/1 and 5/1 were direct predecessors of the 6/1 and 8/1 and they differ mainly in bore size (which they certainly do). Taking a look at the part numbers I can see that 3/1 and 5/1 use the same crankshaft part number. Operating speeds - same as later engines.? There are certainly a lot of variants and subtle changes to be seen in the early engines and replacement parts may have been swapped in over the years as well. It does not help that minimal published data remains for the early versions of these... they also reference a 3 1/2 - 1 in some of the documentation, variants all I would bet. I did find margin notes saying the 3 1/2 and 3/1 vary only in rated speeds... 5/1 and 6/1 however have different bore sizes? Plenty of room for confusion. Check your individual engine it may vary from the published specs.

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: 1940 CS 5/1
« on: February 18, 2021, 07:25:07 PM »
Some have successfully drilled out broken keys. I have not seen a flywheel pulled after crankshaft removed from block... that may present some challenges even after gib key removal. It may require a substantial work table to get ahold of the crank or flywheel or both. It may be practical to put the crank back into the block and anchor it that way.

If drilling out gib remnants, it should be practical to simply drill it through the center without touching either the flywheel or crankshaft and then collapse the remainder of the key with punches. Very sharp bits, very careful placement of your holes, patience and precision.

Good luck! dieselgman

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: 1940 CS 5/1
« on: February 18, 2021, 03:54:34 PM »
We also have battled similar issues with original British engines left in the field to rust away. There are plenty of threads here regarding various issues - getting rusted flywheels loose. Patience,  judiciously applied heat and lubrication, a bit of special tooling (even handmade custom), all are a part. The original castings are rarely a problem except for the cylinder blocks that will often freeze and crack.

If I remember correctly, your 5/1 may have a smaller rod journal than the current 6/1 and 8/1 replacement parts have. Luckily the main bearings are the same throughout. Your original rod journal can be machined... and cranks will interchange if you also change out connecting rod and associated components.

replacement seals are available for re-sealing the oil pump lifter shaft.

Nice project! Good luck!   dieselgman

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Lister Market Place (things for Sale) / Re: Retirement - business on offer - huge volume of engines and parts opportunity
« on: February 17, 2021, 04:26:51 PM »
Thanks Butch,

You and I both! We spend our careers and working lives striving to build something - (in my case mostly lacking any real resources). It is difficult to gradually lose capacity and lack the means to pass on what we have done.

It will not be tolerable to me to let this resource go back into the scrap/recycle pool.

Gary

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Lister Based Generators / Re: TS-2 injector pump issue
« on: February 17, 2021, 03:06:30 PM »
Those TS pumps can be dismantled and cleaned or restored with new parts... a bit of a tricky deal to do the job without damage to the retaining bits. There is a specialized stake to keep the plunger from slipping out of the control mechanism. Do not force anything, use reasonable care and clean everything to the Nth degree, you should be OK.

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Lister Market Place (things for Sale) / Re: Retirement - business on offer - huge volume of engines and parts opportunity
« on: February 17, 2021, 02:54:14 PM »
Thanks VP,  We are alive and kicking here. Hoping to stir things up a bit, at least to have our resources on offer and a known quantity.

Best Regards,

Gary

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Lister Market Place (things for Sale) / Re: Hello all
« on: February 17, 2021, 02:06:02 PM »
Thanks Stef!  It is a good thing. Our business has been robust over the past few months although the majority of it is with our existing repeat clientele. Lots of DitchWitch equipment and Reed screening plants amongst others. Much of our new business contacts seem a bit surprised to find us still in the Lister/Petter business. We still have overfull warehousing and with the weather going a bit crazy in the US it seems our product could do some good dispersed with the people who need it. It was never my intent to simply hoard this resource and tuck it away unseen/unknown.

Best Regards,

Gary

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Lister Market Place (things for Sale) / Re: Retirement - business on offer - huge volume of engines and parts opportunity
« on: February 17, 2021, 08:50:02 AM »
Quote from: dieselgman on December 02, 2019, 02:06:37 AM
Many of you know me from years of activity on this forum and elsewhere. An avalanche of changes are happening in my life that will force some changes here in my Continental US operations. Health, Financial issues with the government, advancing Age - they are fast on my heels now. I need some proactive changes to happen.

I am a Lister/Petter distributor and an active remanufacturing operation in Kansas... also have the remaining Lister/Petter Americas operation under my roof. We have huge parts stocks from a half a dozen other distributors across North America who have almost all now liquidated. We have large stocks of LP original and Indian clone diesels... considerable resources from LPW Alpha water-cooled and air-cooled series. We service Ditchwitch, Reed, Moffet, New Holland, Cummins Onan, and all makers that use the Lister/Petter engines. Large generator and supporting hardware stocks...

I have spent 24 years amassing this resource, I believe it is the largest remaining stockpile anywhere. $2.5m in new parts alone. Something in the neighborhood of 200+ engines here... many of them are the very last examples of brand new in-the-crate British iron.

If someone had an interest in carrying this effort forward, it would present a unique opportunity. I am available to train (up to 2-years if needed), we have a few people here already trained that could stay on and continue the rebuild operations and parts supply services.

We have a tax burden to resolve, but for the most part are solvent and flexible and amenable to creative ideas.

So, talk to me... even if you simply want an engine or two, we are ready to deal and to move some iron. gary@dieselgen.com

Please Note: NEW email address is gsj@gci.net - alive and still in operation here.

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Lister Market Place (things for Sale) / Hello all
« on: February 17, 2021, 08:43:11 AM »
Hello all! Dieselgman here. I apologize for my long absence on this (and other sites). Health issues plus advancing in age put me out of service for awhile.

A little public service announcement if permitted:

Seeing what mother nature has just thrown at Texas and the US Midwest in general gave me the inspiration to get back into action here because we have a strong resource available that people are needing now.

A little re-introduction for those that don't know... my company has been in the Lister generator business for several decades now and we purchased the remainder of Lister/Petter Americas operation when they went out of business.

We have in stock hundreds of the legacy Lister/Petter engines and generators... this includes the antique CS types plus the modern military Alphas and Onan branded Listers and all the in-between models. We also sell and service all Lister/Petter engines and generators backed with a multi-million dollar parts inventory second to none in the world.

I will try to keep up with your queries and as always, will be quick to respond to any parts requests or servicing needs and advice.

Stay safe, stay warm, stay calm and crank up the Lister. Best Regards, dieselgman.

What? don't have your Lister yet?  I suppose we should get to work on that! Of note here, my older published dieselgen email address is no longer available... we are using gsj@gci.net for current communications.

 Shops and warehouses located in Lyons Kansas and Fairbanks Alaska. gsj@gci.net

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Idiling an st2
« on: February 17, 2021, 07:46:15 AM »
First thing with any out-of-fuel situation will be air pockets. The ST normally will purge once you get it running again, but you never know. Be very thorough and even repetitive with your bleeding procedure.
Sometimes contaminated fuel can be forced through the system. If that happens it can cause stuck pump elements and even stuck injector nozzles. These can sometimes clear up, but sometimes not if there is water or sediment involved.
Best of luck with getting her back online.

dieselgman

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Engines / Re: 201-10031 Mystery
« on: January 24, 2020, 03:11:17 PM »
We have all of the parts references plus supersessions and numbering translations. L/P sometimes did not use the actual casting part number in their parts identifications. This is certainly true for bearings, pistons, because they used an internal document for translation of these items. Contact - gsj@gci.net

dieselgman

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Things I want to Buy / Re: LR1 Connecting Rod
« on: January 24, 2020, 03:06:52 PM »
DES in Kansas has all of the Lister/Petter Americas stocks and resources, plus a half a dozen other dealer inventories and major ongoing resources consolidated to fill whatever L/P needs you may have. 

gsj@gci.net is Gary's contact mail.

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Lister Market Place (things for Sale) / Re: Retirement - business on offer - huge volume of engines and parts opportunity
« on: December 04, 2019, 08:27:53 PM »
Quote from: glort on December 03, 2019, 10:52:56 AM

Hope someone will take it over and be as much as a help to as many people as you have over the years.
Thanks!

It is a very tall order to find someone with the skills and intent. This is why I expect this to take a few years because at the minimum I will likely have to train new owners.

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Lister Market Place (things for Sale) / Re: Retirement - business on offer - huge volume of engines and parts opportunity
« on: December 02, 2019, 07:59:03 PM »
Quote from: dkmc on December 02, 2019, 02:25:21 AM

Sorry to hear of your life changes.
Is there a website where a guy can see pictures of the operation and inventory? If not, it probably would help considerably in the ultimate sale of the business.

I only have an out-of-date web presence that shows some of our parts inventory. I am happy to provide fully detailed pictures/details/and so on for any interested party and open to any pertinent discussion.

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Lister Market Place (things for Sale) / Retirement - business on offer - huge volume of engines and parts opportunity
« on: December 02, 2019, 02:06:37 AM »
Many of you know me from years of activity on this forum and elsewhere. An avalanche of changes are happening in my life that will force some changes here in my Continental US operations. Health, Financial issues with the government, advancing Age - they are fast on my heels now. I need some proactive changes to happen.

I am a Lister/Petter distributor and an active remanufacturing operation in Kansas... also have the remaining Lister/Petter Americas operation under my roof. We have huge parts stocks from a half a dozen other distributors across North America who have almost all now liquidated. We have large stocks of LP original and Indian clone diesels... considerable resources from LPW Alpha water-cooled and air-cooled series. We service Ditchwitch, Reed, Moffet, New Holland, Cummins Onan, and all makers that use the Lister/Petter engines. Large generator and supporting hardware stocks...

I have spent 24 years amassing this resource, I believe it is the largest remaining stockpile anywhere. $2.5m in new parts alone. Something in the neighborhood of 200+ engines here... many of them are the very last examples of brand new in-the-crate British iron.

If someone had an interest in carrying this effort forward, it would present a unique opportunity. I am available to train (up to 2-years if needed), we have a few people here already trained that could stay on and continue the rebuild operations and parts supply services.

We have a tax burden to resolve, but for the most part are solvent and flexible and amenable to creative ideas.

So, talk to me... even if you simply want an engine or two, we are ready to deal and to move some iron. gary@dieselgen.com

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