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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Flywheels and balancing.....
« on: October 02, 2006, 03:38:15 PM »
Peter,

Regarding the balancing of the single cylinder engines, on page 38 of David Edgington's recent book he discusses the differences among flywheels.  He says,

"It is interesting, with this range of engines, how several specific flywheels were fitted singly, meaning the starting handle side was different from the opposite side, while others were matched pairs."

So how Dursley balanced these engines suddenly seems even more mysterious.

Quinn

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Crankcase Splash Plate?
« on: September 21, 2006, 04:31:11 PM »
Just found a drawing of it.  Seems David Edgington (may his name be praised!) received permission to post the original manual from Lister.  It's copyrighted 1986.
The diagram in question can be found on page 35 of the .pdf manual that you can view at http://www.woodnstuff.ca/images/dursley.pdf

The plate (pt. no. 116) does indeed have a slot in it and it appears to be flat, not v-shaped.

Is a puzzlement.

Quinn


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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Crankcase Splash Plate?
« on: September 21, 2006, 04:01:10 PM »
Thanks, Binnie, I'll look for it when I have time.  Searching through Guy's posts will take some!

Quinn

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Crankcase Splash Plate?
« on: September 21, 2006, 03:57:55 PM »
Jack,

I might be wrong about the slot.  I'm looking at a drawing in one of the manuals and it's in profile, but it appears that the dipper penetrates the splash plate, hence the need for either a slot or detail in the drawing that indicates it was bent into a "V" beneath the dipper.  Seems with all the original CS 6/1s changing hands that someone could take a peek inside with a digital camera and post a pic.  

My diagram (actually it's in the PS manual, Jack, you have one) indicates the splash (or anti-splash?) plate had a lip that engaged the edge of the upper sump, then rose up against the back of the case (I'm mentally peering in the large CC inspection hatch) where it was secured by a bolt.  

I just wonder what they were trying to accomplish.  Could it be as simple as keeping the access hatch from leaking like a newborn, or was there a lubrication-related purpose that we don't know about?  

Quinn

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Crankcase Splash Plate?
« on: September 20, 2006, 09:06:48 PM »
Ok, so what IS this splash plate thing that I keep seeing in diagrams of original Lister 6/1 engines? 

It appears to be a sheet metal plate in the sump with a slot cut in it to allow the crankshaft dipper to contact the oil, but why the splash plate?  What purpose did it serve?  Inquiring minds and all that.

Quinn

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Crankcase studs too short?
« on: September 13, 2006, 07:44:20 PM »
Dirk,

Some engines come with fasteners, e.g. nuts/bolts/studs and threaded holes that were made with worn out taps and dies.  My Ashwamegh is like that.  I ended up replacing most of the hardware with stuff I bought locally.  Thread gauge will probably indicate they're off when, in fact standard US nuts/bolts/studs fit just fine.

Threads on the plumbing fittings will be different, however.  British parallel pipe thread or BPPtaper depending on location.  The 1 1/4" female threads on the exhaust flange are one that require the British pipe thread.  I cut the nipple out of the exhaust silencer that came with my Ashwamegh engine and welded that to a 1 1/4" NPT nipple and made my own adapter.  Adapters can be bought at www.mcmaster.com  Search under British Pipe and you should end up looking at a page of adapters.

Rotsaruck!

Quinn

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Crankcase studs too short?
« on: September 13, 2006, 04:49:49 PM »
That's right.  Machinery's Handbook has a section on that.  Threads appx 1X diameter of the bolt develop full strength.

Those particular studs shouldn't be heavily loaded anyway.  If you want, double up two nuts and screw them in farther.  While you're at it, does the crankshaft turn freely?  It should.  Many of these engines come with the main bearing housings torqued down too tight.  The TRBs shouldn't be preloaded.  The spec (should be in your manual) calls for 0.010" of crankshaft end play.

Quinn

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Engines / Re: Paint Stripping?
« on: September 08, 2006, 06:55:34 PM »
Ok, some results to report.

Added about 1/2 bottle (that would be about 16 ozs [1 pound/454 g for you north of the 48th parallel] of "Crystal Drain Cleaner" from Home Depot to half a five gallon bucket (you're on your own with the arithmetic) of _really hot_ tap water.  Lots of angry boiling-type sounds came from the bottom of the bucket.  Stirred the stuff around until the angry noises subsided to keep from burning a hole in the bottom of the plastic bucket, then began carefully loading painted parts stripped of nuts/bolts/pins, etc.  First the cylinder head, then cam covers, manifolds, nuts/bolts, etc.   Then topped up with more really hot tap water until the liquid just covered the parts (probably 3/4 full) and stirred to distribute the stuff around.

The solution immediately turned black and boiled like a hot tub as carbon came off the parts.  Then it changed to a sort of blue-green black as the paint dissolved, then lightened somewhat as the gray primer and plaster filler came away.

I left the bucket in the laundry sink overnight and removed the parts early this morning before work.  Rinsed them with hot water and brushed the paint residue out of the grain of the cast iron and set the parts aside to dry.

Last engine I stripped, I spent about a month of afternoons with chemical stripper and flap sanding disks and a whole lot of elbow grease to get all the paint off. 

Regarding disposal, it occurred to me after I posted my last that this stuff is drain cleaner.  It's intended to be dumped down the drain and the municipal waste treatment evidently can handle small amounts of the caustic stuff.  The paint residue, which might contain lead, is settling in the bucket as I type.  I'll pour off the liquid this afternoon and transfer the paint residue to newspapers that the Hazmat folks can have next time they announce a pickup.

Quinn

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Engines / Re: valve stem end and cap hardening
« on: September 06, 2006, 06:26:19 PM »
Was at Dinosaur Nat'n'l. Mon'm't. a couple of years ago with the kids.  Stayed nearby in Vernal, UT.  Bought a 6'er of a microbrew called, "Polygamy Porter."  Not half bad if you like that sort of thing.  The artwork on the labels and the carton was worth the price. 

http://www.wasatchbeers.com/beers.html 

As I went through checkout, I, being a visitor and on my best behavior, didn't say a thing.  But the gal checking my groceries paused when she saw the brew and fixed me for a moment with a look that made me glad we were just passing through!

Quinn

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Engines / Re: Paint Stripping?
« on: September 06, 2006, 06:13:52 PM »
My kids tell me that I'm not as dumb as I look.   :P

You're probably right about the paint residue.  Last engine, I just dumped the sweepings off the floor in the trash over a period of about 4 weeks.  This time it should end up in the bottom of the barrel and a couple of 5-gallon paint cans if I get it all. 

Still interested in sand blasting, but haven't had that done before.  Anybody care to take a stab at what should be a fair price to pay if I took it to a place to have it done?

Quinn

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Engines / Re: Paint Stripping?
« on: September 06, 2006, 03:23:20 PM »
Lye can be neutralized via a SLOW drip of hydrochloric/muriatic acid and then flushed.  Once neutralized, you're left with salt water.  The paint residue will settle to the bottom and can be disposed of in the trash.  I don't plan to have anywhere near 55 gallons of the stuff.

Quinn

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Engines / Re: Paint Stripping?
« on: September 06, 2006, 05:39:55 AM »
I just got back from the Ho'  They still have lye.  It's in the plumbing aisle and called "crystal drain cleaner."  The Red Devil brand was conspicuous by its absence. 
A gander at the label on the back said, "Contents:  Sodium hydroxide."  Period.  End of sentence. 

32 ozs. for five bucks and change.  Picked up two.  I think I'll do all the small parts in a 5-gallon plastic bucket.  Once I get to the crankcase I'll get creative.  I have a 55 gallon plastic barrel that I might be able to use for that.  Not quite sure if the CC will fit in there.  But I'm highly motivated to avoid using mechanical means to strip the paint on this engine. 

Better Living Thru Chemistry!

Quinn

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Engines / Re: Paint Stripping?
« on: September 06, 2006, 05:31:22 AM »
Dail, you mean you just want to remove one layer and leave the one below it intact?  Rotsaruck!  That's a job for an artist which I ain't.  However, I think you could probably take a fine artist's paintbrush and dab a little lacquer thinner or acetone in a corner of the labe until you see how much time you have to give it to lift the paint.  Paint might crinkle off or just soften, allowing you to remove it with a popsicle stick, this being good weather for those!  Other than that, I can't help.  Just work slowly and under good light.

Quinn

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Engines / Re: valve stem end and cap hardening
« on: September 06, 2006, 05:24:09 AM »
D'they make beer up in Canadia?

Quinn

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Engines / Re: Paint Stripping?
« on: September 06, 2006, 01:52:11 AM »
Doug,

You'd be surprised. 

Woodshop.  Gone.
Metal shop.  Gone.
Auto shop.  Gone.
Mechanical drawing.  Gone.

They're not teaching kids how to DO anything manual anymore.

Quinn



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