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Listeroid Engines / Re: Prices paid for engines posted here
« on: September 17, 2006, 12:36:46 AM »
$2300 for a 20/2 from Doug Waggonner who posts here.

http://www.members.aol.com/westernstar66/indianlisters.html

His costs just went up because he is importing and his shipping has gone up. The $2300 I spent before the cost increase does not include shipping from his shop to other locations in the U.S. and I am going to pick up and move it myself, I go right past his place with the truck and trailer on my way to the SW.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: 6/1 and generator setup
« on: September 17, 2006, 12:16:18 AM »
I made a floating frame to bolt my VW diesel...

Great!!! But this engine is not a stationary design, it has no flywheels  ;)

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When I redid my Petter PJ-1 genset I created a similar floating subframe on a heavy wheeled mainframe.  I used some larger valve springs that are likely from a big diesel engine.  The single cylinder Petter is a boinker! The whole engine does a repetitive rotational jerk at every ignition bang due to torque reaction with the massive flywheel. 

It's a good thing the bearings are isolated and this vibration, angular torque, and uneven delivery of force is not seen by the moving parts. Right?

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If the Petter was bolted to the concrete floor in the shop I have every confidence that I`d be aware of it running in my house 100 feet away....

It's never supposed to be bolted to the floor. Slab floors are not stationary engine mounts either. I just posted that the proper mount is an isolation block... Slabs transmit the vibration. Flexible mounts focus the vibration like a lens right on the loaded bearings.

I find it impossible to see your rationalization that with a stationary engine that is moving about with the rotating parts jigging around on the bearing mounts the bearings see less stress. With the flywheel mass which transportation engines like your VW don't have... I bet the stationary engine is delivering many times the stress to the bearings as opposed to the VW setup.



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Listeroid Engines / Re: 6/1 and generator setup
« on: September 16, 2006, 11:20:31 PM »
These stationary engines were never designed for flexible mounts. All the industrial/commerical installations of reciprocating equipment for stationary use specifies block mounting systems. I am not saying that flexible mounts are not used or that they may not work... I am saying that the equipment is designed for stationary mounting on an inertial damping block.

There are steps you take during the casting of the mount that isolate the block from any surrounding slab.  From a cost vs etc. standpoint the best solution I have seen is felt or synthetic padding (fuel/grease proof) placed between the block and the surrounding soil. A double thickness is used for the base, and a thinner pad is placed around the sides. If flooring is poured around the block (or vs.), the padding extends up until it is level with the floor of the poured slab preventing direct contact and thereby isolating vibration.

There is commerical padding available that does not cost an arm and a leg and they will pre-cut isolation padding for your pour dimensions... But I wonder if old carpet would not work just as or nearly as well. If fuel or water intrusion is expected to be an issue (think about it), the used waste carpeting can be sealed up in plastic tarp and the resulting pads can then be placed in and around the pour. This is pretty close to a textbook mounting.

I repeat that many people use flexible mounts, I don't think that is the proper way to mount this equipment and I do agree it's more work, time, and possibly expense doing the job right. The payoff may not be noticeable at all... This is a case where you would only be able to directly or indirectly calculate the savings by not doing it right the first time.

Say a main bearing wears out at 500-1000 hours. If you had an improper mount it's easy to blame those cheap Indian bearings.

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^^^ I popped for tilt bed trailer like this one.  It makes loading vehicles and other wheeled loads pretty easy... But it's more complicated if you have to winch something up because the winch has to be mounted higher than the front of the tilt bed and the angle of the pull shifts as items are loaded.  The advantage is no ramps, and you can roll things up with pipes and safety chocks as long as you have plenty of help while loading. Otherwise you have to make sure there is a loader at the pickup point. I make sure we have loading plans before I make a pickup.


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It's late... I am not tired, just bored... .. .

http://cgi.ebay.com/Perkins-4-Cylinder-Diesel-Engine_W0QQitemZ130024362050QQihZ003QQcategoryZ41505QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I would be interested in this engine too, if it included the pump. Sad story about the guy dying from heat stroke while working on it... Shame that neglect siezed the engine. Parts are readily available for this Perkins, it was used in a lot of tractors and construction equipment.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Satoh-Mitsubish-2-cyl-diesel-engine-370H-eng_W0QQitemZ170027497817QQihZ007QQcategoryZ11756QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

^^^ Satoh/Mitsubish 2 cyl diesel engine - Hard to say if this qualifies as a slow speed engine or not...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Kubota-S2200-6-cyl-Compact-Diesel-Engine-NO-Reserve_W0QQitemZ150031094511QQihZ005QQcategoryZ50918QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

^^^ Sweet hydraulic setup on this Kubota

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Deutz-Diesel-Generator-Engine-Repower-Skid-Loader_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33615QQihZ005QQitemZ150032277500QQrdZ1

^^^ Duetz three cylinder genset

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ford-diesel-power-unit-800-tractor-engine-172-rockford_W0QQitemZ330025419063QQihZ014QQcategoryZ61574QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The reserve is not met on this... I am posting the link because it is an interesting engine... It's not an 800 BTW, it's an 801; the Ford 800 is gas, perhaps the seller is noting that it fits the more common Ford 800 tractor frame, but this engine was used in a lot of tractors.

I have checked around for parts availablity on these, usually in AG applications parts are available aftermarket when the manufacturer stops supporting them.

This looks like a nice little diesel, I wish I could find an excuse to pick it up... Or, please buy it before I invent a need.

I wish people on ebay would not use reserves, just put a "buy it now" price on the danged auction and be done with it.

I hate auctions.... It seems everything I am interesting in goes for a fair and reasonable price except the stuff I _really_ want, then there is the other guy who comes up out of nowhere and wants it just as bad or worse... I always back off when the price goes higher than I want to pay, and the other guy ends up paying more than it's worth. Maybe I am good for the economy.

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i did as research paper on fussion back in 1978 at the time they were saying they would have it viable in 24 months...

I am going to bite.

I am not "they"  ;)  I am me. Big difference here.

I believed "them" back in 1978 too... Here it is 2006 and "they" are still recycling the same story... "It's 20 years from commerical implementation" - If you did a research paper on it in 1978, you would know "they" were saying the same things back in the 1950's and 1960's as well.

"They" are wrong. Not just a little off the mark (tho that also applies to "them"), "they" are just plain wrong.

I have spent a great deal of time pondering "their" on-going mistakes... I can clearly see where "they" went off the true path, veered away from the goal. "They" are on the wrong road, have been for quite some years, and "they" will never regain the true path on their own.

The story of "they" is a classical instruction in failure analysis, it is a path of on-going failure "they" are on... I do not look to "them" as a guiding light of what to do that is right... I look to "them" for education in what things have, and will continue, to go wrong.

The simple fact is this technology is not half as difficult as "they" would have the public believe.

24 months... That is what I say. Not "them". What I can accomplish in 24 months truly exceeds the rather simple task of building a working demonstration model of an electromagnetic containment geometry that is suitable for scale up and commerical implementation along the time lines I mentioned previously: this task is _easy_... The hard part, the time consuming part, was/is finding a place to establish a research facility, getting a lab building up, putting the engine room in, mounting the generators, securing fuel supplies, wiring the lab... After that the work is practically completed.

This is an interesting line of research... I will certainly allow that I could be wrong, but it's going to be really quick & easy to find out for sure once I have the infrastructure in place. I am not at all afraid of failure, what scares me is failing to try; and no words _anyone_ throws at me on the internet is going to affect my quest for the truth in the form of real working machines.

I am so sure of this I am betting the bank, investing the next portion (and possibly the rest of) my life to an environment where I can devote my time and energy to the required R&D.

Everybody knows what "they" think and say about people like me... None of it is supportive, or even very nice.  ;)


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General Discussion / Re: Engine for natural gas generator
« on: September 10, 2006, 11:52:28 PM »
As an aside it is fine to think of using natural gas to power a standby power plant if you already have the gas being delivered for say home heating, but consider that when TSHTF, not only will you be without utility power, your natural gas pressure will also be zero.  Then a diesel that can run on just about anything resembling oil including hot bacon grease will be your salvation.

I don't know where he is at... But where I used to live in the central midwest the government and gas companies sold everyone 10 years ago on natural gas as the cheap, abundant, clean energy of the future.

Well... The future is coming to light and the only truth is that natural gas burns pretty clean, all the rest was a pack of lies.  The last two winters natural gas prices went so high that it was cheaper to go to the Salvation Army and Goodwill and get old clothes to burn for heat (think I am kidding?).

It won't be long and natural gas consumers will be dependant on LNG shipped by bulbious tankers from the Mideast.

The supply system will not collaspe for some years... Think about the state of mind in your typical blinder wearing suburban resident when there is little or no gas pressure regardless of cost. Something like that would break the back of the American myth and the Fascists in control of U.S. politics will expand their World War before they admit truth. They will blame anybody and everybody before they will admit fault or take responsibility... It's lies they tell.

However... In the short and mid term, natural gas powered electrical generation does have advantages... You don't have to bunker fuel, the gas supply is independant of electrical mains for the most part, and the technology required is inexpensive and all off the shelf.  LNG starts getting less and less efficient because of the expense in compressing it and the transportation costs, but as long as the fuel cycle is not dependant upon imported compressed gas it's pretty efficient...

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General Discussion / Re: 1978 Case 680CK Tractor Loader Backhoe
« on: September 10, 2006, 05:29:02 AM »
Thanks jer ;)

I knew there was a trick to them... I did see the set screw on the side of the cylinder near the top and figured it needed to come out... But for the life of me I could not see how to get the cylinder apart.

I will inquire about the Case tool to remove the end cap, I understand the process perfectly now. It would seem to me that cleaning the top thoroughly and some kroil around the top would help, kroil in the hole where the set screw is removed. But it's not like these parts aren't well lubricated  :D :o

I take it everything must be tightened back down just as firmly.

I question about the absolute necessity of using Case hydraulic fluid... I would tend to think this is just their way of increasing profits by rebranding some fluid and selling it at a higher markup...

The loader hydraulics seem pretty dry, but on the backhoe both pivot cylinders cry like babies and the tears are red oil... The main boom cylinder is also wet and dripping when raised but it's not making noise like the two pivot cylinders.

Once I get these jobs done it looks ready to go... Oil change and all the filters.

I have considered just dumping the entire tank of hydraulic fluid, draining all the cylinders and pump case and pouring it into the fuel bunker with all the rest once I get the backhoe hauled down to my work/home site... Then refilling with fresh fluid.

Having a place to store and a use for waste oils makes me smile... I am going to approach some hydraulic service companies about picking up waste fluid and setting up a regular route to get my bunkers filled. Everything on site is diesel engine driven, I will keep my gasoline car for awhile at least, but it will have to be shuttled in and out to the improved road. I have a feeling once I get the truck configured to run on bunker oil I won't drive the car much, and I see no reason why the Case loader won't run on bunker oil too...

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Listeroid running backwards?
« on: September 10, 2006, 04:44:18 AM »
It would seem to me that the injector timing would preclude the engine running in reverse.

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General Discussion / Re: 1978 Case 680CK Tractor Loader Backhoe
« on: September 10, 2006, 02:16:34 AM »
Hey brother where is your plot?

Peace&Love :D, Darren

LOL... Good question  :D ;)

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General Discussion / Re: 1978 Case 680CK Tractor Loader Backhoe
« on: September 09, 2006, 10:03:28 PM »
that is a great looking new toy. i hope it works well for you... you are doing something i have been dreaming about doing for sometime.. i hoipe i am as lucky to find as good a deal.

The guy who has owned it recently and has been... ummm... 'taking care' of it is quite the card... Windows on these things get broken and vandalized on a lot of construction sites, he replaced the broken glass with skylights.  The orginal seat is gone, he bolted in a swivel office chair with arm rests... At least it is mounted correctly and you can turn around and work both sets of controls. It is also comfortable.

I need to spend some hours in the cab with the manual on my lab learning the controls, then learning to drive this beast... The brakes do work, everything works... But I would really feel more comfortable if I engaged in this learning process after hauling this beast down to my property where I can't destroy anything.

Water on my place is a problem.... I have analysed the satellite maps and topos and walked around looking at the vegitation... It's been years since I have witched water but I already know two spots where I feel there is water at 40 ft or less, and 20 ft is actually more likely... The problem is these spots will probably only yeild significant amounts of water after the rainy season and the wells would go dry for 1/2 year or more... There are a couple of nearby wells (2 miles & 3 miles) and a spring (1/2 mile) down hill from my land, but they are all much lower and/or tap larger water sheds. My water shed is restricted to the 160 acres right around me. 

With this in mind I intend to put in a large cistern and cachement systems with above ground tanks. I will put up a small tower for water pressure. With the ability to store 10,000 gallons I can see fit dam a couple of shallow washes and see about using the backhoe to dig down behind the dam in an effort to hit the deeper ground water... Then install a pump. There are good rains periodically, when it comes you have to get the water up and into storage and then conserve for the dry months.

The problem really is that with a small water shed and shallow water the actual quality of the land is very important... Running a machine that leak hydraulic fluid all over this type work will ensure the water ends up with oil leaching into it.

As far as dreams... I suppose in some form or another I have dreamed about something like this project, but it was simply too far out to ever be realistic. What happened was the course of my life made it a necessity... I am not doing this so much because I want to or this is something I have always dreamed of... I am doing this because this is simply how it has to be done, and it's a hell of a lot of work, time, and money getting set up... I end up giving up a lot of things I enjoy (nice restaurants close by and city services for instance)... But I figured as remote and hostile as this area is, if I took the time, put in the work, spent the money, and do things right I can be very comfortable and have all the things I really _need_.

Once I am done my cost of living should be extraordinarily low... Food and maintenence only... No utilities, no commuting to work, if I end up going out once a month for food and to collect waste oil wearing greasy overalls and looking like a country moron...

I would smile  ;D

Anybody know how to repack hydraulic cylinders?


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General Discussion / 1978 Case 680CK Tractor Loader Backhoe
« on: September 09, 2006, 08:41:45 AM »


I probably have cursed myself... But the price is right... In fact the dealer was so anxious to throw this bucket of oil at me, he severely discounted the price. I am starting to get nervious after the fact.

Case is known for strong engines, and their diesels are pretty top of the line in construction and agriculture. They don't do well at tractor pulls because the engines and frames are so damned heavy... That is what I bought, the engine and frame.

It runs, everything works fine... But several large cylinders need to be repacked, it leaks like a sieve. I need to design some hydraulic drive systems for my engine room and awhile back Guy suggested I study how the hydraulics are set up on a digger... What better way I thought, than to own one.

Besides I have to move many cubic yards of soil and rock to put a new place up.

The engine is pretty strong, 4 cylinder diesel, I have not gone thru the manual yet to see what the rated HP is... It does not smoke excessively, the guy said it does not use oil but I figure he does not really know; he's a salesman.

At least he was upfront about the hydraulics leaking and I am going to have to dry things up before I can get serious work out of this machine. Does anybody have any primers on how to repack hydraulic cylinders?  I can get seal kits cheap, and with the leaks dried up this machine can be sold for a lot more than I paid for it when I am done working it... If I can bear to part with it.

But I have never repacked a cylinder before, and this is the first hydraulic system I will have hands on experience with.

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Anybody without knee-jerk problems can see that fission power is part of the future. 

Fusion, not fission is the way out.

The problem is nobody has documented the correct reactor geometry for a working fusion reactor. I could put on a silly hat and bang a drum all day screaming "LOOK AT ME!!! LOOK AT ME!!!" - But it's nought without a working demonstration prototype of the correct plasma containment geometry.

http://listerengine.com/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=101

Once I document it, it will be 20 years on a normal development track to commerical implementation, 10 years on a crash program. My best guess is that a real world prototype is 24 months out... They are leveling the ground to pour the slab for my research lab next week.

http://listerengine.com/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=103

I am hauling in the fuel bunkers for the generators in two weeks.

http://listerengine.com/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=96

Once I pour the foundation blocks for the engine room, I can work out the engineering for the jackshaft and drive the ST15kW to power the research prototypes.


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General Discussion / Re: Flywheels
« on: September 09, 2006, 07:45:44 AM »
... and even large banks of capacitors are devices that can store large amounts of energy that if released suddenly and improperly or unexpectedly can cause great property damage or fatalities.

The peak power generated by high voltage capacitive discharge makes a dynamite explosion look like a coal fire. A moderately sized capacitor bank can produce peak energies that exceed those released when firing even the largest military artillery pieces. I am not exaggerating.

What is the best way to rapidly energize a high voltage capacitor? You hook your generator up to a large flywheel....

Food for thought.

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