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Listeroid Engines / Call me stupid but.....
« on: December 02, 2013, 02:19:33 AM »
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Engines / Re: SR1 Hard to start
« on: November 29, 2013, 12:48:09 AM »
An electric hair dryer or heat gun (or a propane torch with some kind of flame diffuser or rosebud tip if you are really off-grid) in the intake. I start an old (ancient,really) Bobcat skid steer with a hair dryer on the coldest of days, and I am only a little south of you.
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Listeroid Engines / Re: Flywheel balancing question
« on: November 28, 2013, 02:10:38 AM »
Todays update. It snowed around these parts last night, so to while away the hours waiting for morning, I headed out to the barn for a little Listeroid therapy. At the end of the night, I was cold, tired, diesel soaked and actually further behind than when I started!
I put the flywheels on, and got the gib keys actually fitting. Yay. Success. Then I got the fuel tank installed, fuel put in it, and the lines to the injector pumps full of fuel. Yay. Success. Then I thought, "well. May as well prime this baby up and see where that gets us" and that is when the wheels fell off.
I couldn't get fuel up to the injectors for love nor money. I cranked, and I bled, and I cranked some more. I finally decided that there must be some kind of rational explanation for this, so I went back to the basics. I tightened every fuel fitting on the beast, and sure enough, a couple of them were loose. No Biggee. Commence to cranking....again. Nothing on one pump but success on the other. Hmmm. Now what? So I looked, and I poked, and I fumed all to no avail. Figuring that there has to be something I am missing, I took the flywheel off to look at things a little closer. It seems that one of the camshaft actuated lifters under the fuel injector pump was backed almost all the way down. The lifter was going up and down, but it wasn't even contacting the bottom of the pump! That explains the lack of fuel to the injector. So I adjusted the bolt assembly enough to get fuel up to the injector, but after thinking about it for a while today, I think I am going to take both IPs off, measure the good lifter at TDC, and adjust the other one so it is the same. Is there actually a value I should be looking for? Any one know?
In the process of all this prodding around the fuel system, I have discovered that the outboard IP lever assembly doesn't really line up very well with the IP rack, causing the rack not to travel freely, and kind of bind. It looks like it is just a matter of some shimming and maybe some grinding. Here's hoping. I promise to take some pictures (for the more visual among us) the next time I am out working, but I am house bound for the rest of the evening - Skype call to my Grandson in 24 minutes. Cant miss that. Even for a Listeroid!
I put the flywheels on, and got the gib keys actually fitting. Yay. Success. Then I got the fuel tank installed, fuel put in it, and the lines to the injector pumps full of fuel. Yay. Success. Then I thought, "well. May as well prime this baby up and see where that gets us" and that is when the wheels fell off.
I couldn't get fuel up to the injectors for love nor money. I cranked, and I bled, and I cranked some more. I finally decided that there must be some kind of rational explanation for this, so I went back to the basics. I tightened every fuel fitting on the beast, and sure enough, a couple of them were loose. No Biggee. Commence to cranking....again. Nothing on one pump but success on the other. Hmmm. Now what? So I looked, and I poked, and I fumed all to no avail. Figuring that there has to be something I am missing, I took the flywheel off to look at things a little closer. It seems that one of the camshaft actuated lifters under the fuel injector pump was backed almost all the way down. The lifter was going up and down, but it wasn't even contacting the bottom of the pump! That explains the lack of fuel to the injector. So I adjusted the bolt assembly enough to get fuel up to the injector, but after thinking about it for a while today, I think I am going to take both IPs off, measure the good lifter at TDC, and adjust the other one so it is the same. Is there actually a value I should be looking for? Any one know?
In the process of all this prodding around the fuel system, I have discovered that the outboard IP lever assembly doesn't really line up very well with the IP rack, causing the rack not to travel freely, and kind of bind. It looks like it is just a matter of some shimming and maybe some grinding. Here's hoping. I promise to take some pictures (for the more visual among us) the next time I am out working, but I am house bound for the rest of the evening - Skype call to my Grandson in 24 minutes. Cant miss that. Even for a Listeroid!
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Listeroid Engines / Re: Flywheel balancing question
« on: November 16, 2013, 02:06:15 PM »
Update #3
The preamble;
I stopped by a local tire shop that does heavy equipment tires on the way home from work last week looking for some stick-on weights. The fellow who runs the shop wasn't too interested with my unusual request until I explained what they were for. Then he lit right up. After a couple of minutes of talking and with the help of a couple of pictures from my phone, he said that they have a $30000 machine in the shop that can balance anything that is designed to rotate, and to bring the flywheels in. So yesterday I did just that.
Mike and the guys at Benson Tire in Bowmanville Ontario (little plug because they were awesome - no affiliation) put the flywheels on a tire balancing machine, and balanced them. Now I am not saying I am some kind of grinding master......but.....
I think that kind of speaks for itself..
Of course the other wheel took 24 ounces of lead and was a real pain in the ass to do, so I obviously got lucky on the first one! Ha!
So now the flywheels are balanced, and it is supposed to rain tomorrow, so it looks like I will be starting on my temporary stand next. Listeroid nirvana and a first smoke video are coming quickly. I can feel it.
The preamble;
I stopped by a local tire shop that does heavy equipment tires on the way home from work last week looking for some stick-on weights. The fellow who runs the shop wasn't too interested with my unusual request until I explained what they were for. Then he lit right up. After a couple of minutes of talking and with the help of a couple of pictures from my phone, he said that they have a $30000 machine in the shop that can balance anything that is designed to rotate, and to bring the flywheels in. So yesterday I did just that.
Mike and the guys at Benson Tire in Bowmanville Ontario (little plug because they were awesome - no affiliation) put the flywheels on a tire balancing machine, and balanced them. Now I am not saying I am some kind of grinding master......but.....
I think that kind of speaks for itself..
Of course the other wheel took 24 ounces of lead and was a real pain in the ass to do, so I obviously got lucky on the first one! Ha!
So now the flywheels are balanced, and it is supposed to rain tomorrow, so it looks like I will be starting on my temporary stand next. Listeroid nirvana and a first smoke video are coming quickly. I can feel it.
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Listeroid Engines / Re: Flywheel balancing question
« on: November 07, 2013, 01:01:17 AM »
Hi all. Well it is a blustery Wednesday night here in Fairmount, so I thought I would update you on my flywheel endeavours, and of course solicit more free advice on what to do next.
I finished grinding out the counter weights, and started making the device to hold my wheels horizontally (with apologies to all machinists everywhere)
Here is my jig already rigged up with the eyebolt and swivel
Here we are just a swinging in the breeze
So I have one wheel suspended and I cannot find my handy bubble level. No problem I thought. I have an iPhone. There must be an app for that. And there is. Except my phone is in a Lifeproof case, and the back of the case will not sit level on the center area of the flywheel, so the bubble isn't level, so I have no idea how far the wheel is out. Well I am really no further ahead, except the wheel looks pretty level, so I am presuming I am close. I still have to get a bubble level, and some stick on weights, so I guess a shopping trip is in order.
Now to wait for Horsepoor to finish his installment on balancing a twin. Thanks all for the input.
Peter
I finished grinding out the counter weights, and started making the device to hold my wheels horizontally (with apologies to all machinists everywhere)
Here is my jig already rigged up with the eyebolt and swivel
Here we are just a swinging in the breeze
So I have one wheel suspended and I cannot find my handy bubble level. No problem I thought. I have an iPhone. There must be an app for that. And there is. Except my phone is in a Lifeproof case, and the back of the case will not sit level on the center area of the flywheel, so the bubble isn't level, so I have no idea how far the wheel is out. Well I am really no further ahead, except the wheel looks pretty level, so I am presuming I am close. I still have to get a bubble level, and some stick on weights, so I guess a shopping trip is in order.
Now to wait for Horsepoor to finish his installment on balancing a twin. Thanks all for the input.
Peter
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Listeroid Engines / Re: Flywheel balancing question
« on: October 26, 2013, 01:48:08 PM »
So the next thing is to balance them. I am certainly not any kind of machinist (I am trying to learn, but man that is a long row to hoe!), so coming up with an intricate (for me) design like Quinnf's isn't in the cards. I think I will make a 2" plug for the bore, drill and tap for a 1/2" eyebolt, and suspend it horizontally from the tractor loader. Then it should be stick-on weight, stick-on weight, stick-on weight and voila....Listeroid nirvana. No?
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Listeroid Engines / Re: Flywheel balancing question
« on: October 26, 2013, 01:24:11 PM »
Pictures
starting the process
one down, one to go
counterweights
starting the process
one down, one to go
counterweights
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Listeroid Engines / Re: Flywheel balancing question
« on: October 22, 2013, 12:40:29 AM »
How did you get the flywheel insert to balance on the 5/16 drill rod? Did you bore a matching conical recess into the base of the "top hat" or does the drill rod fit quite deeply into the insert? It seems to me that if the flywheel was out of balance by almost any amount at all, it would slip off that pointed drill rod. Or am I missing something here?
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Listeroid Engines / Re: Flywheel balancing question
« on: October 21, 2013, 01:18:08 PM »
Thats the plan. I want to find a source of stick on weights first. Hopefully at a price that even a small time farmer like myself can afford 
That is this weeks job.
That is this weeks job.
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Listeroid Engines / Re: Flywheel balancing question
« on: October 21, 2013, 01:18:50 AM »
Or spend most of the weekend, 15 grinding discs, one set of heavy leather gauntlets (don't ask. Its embarrassing), a Canadian Tire 4 1/2 inch grinder (died just before I finished ... RIP) and viola... no more counterweights. Now to static balance the wheels. But that is a job for next weekend.
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Listeroid Engines / Re: Flywheel balancing question
« on: October 18, 2013, 01:19:28 PM »
Thanks for all the replies, and thanks for the app info. I will be looking into those. I have a seismograph app on my iphone, but it is pretty simple (read free). So it looks like the general consensus is to add weight, not to try and remove it. Well it looks like my weekend plans are being arranged as I type.
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Listeroid Engines / Flywheel balancing question
« on: October 18, 2013, 03:32:28 AM »
Hi all. I have a question, but first a little background. A bunch of years ago, thanks in no small part to Rocketboy F1's excellent website, and a loving and understanding wife, I found myself in possession of a 12/2 engine. Now here is where the fun starts. The engine is internally counterbalanced. The flywheels are the 6/1 counterbalanced type. It seems to me that I need to "un" counterbalance my flywheels. I have toyed with the idea of buying new ones, but a big part of me wants to solve this problem. I have debated using an angle grinder to grind out the weight, but from all that I have been able to gather that is a messy, time consuming, fraught with potential failure kind of idea. My son (a MatTech in the CF) gave me an idea. What would stop me from putting a bunch of lead opposite the counterbalance and effectively oppose the generated forces? I really don't know. What say ye?
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Things I want to Buy / Re: 10-2 or 12-2 CS
« on: January 11, 2011, 01:00:08 AM »
Bob;
No the 12/2 is still languishing (although it is sometimes hard to spot amidst all those trees and lakes we have here). Why? You interested?
Peter
No the 12/2 is still languishing (although it is sometimes hard to spot amidst all those trees and lakes we have here). Why? You interested?
Peter
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Lister Based Generators / Re: Freq. and voltage
« on: December 06, 2010, 03:00:09 AM »
Just for fun, and make sure no-one is looking, try this http://yarchive.net/car/rv/generator_synchronization.html. We had a board at one of our power plants that still had the light-bulbs in it for synching. I personally have never done this, but the theory works, and what the heck....