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Listeroid Engines / Re: When Listeroids go bad.
« on: January 29, 2014, 08:52:00 PM »
Thanks guys, I havent pieced everything together yet but think maybe bolts came loose on crankshaft weights? Found one weight laying on the floor by itself.

Engine has over 7000 hours on it, I put an hour meter on in 2011 it shows 3600 hours. I installed the engine in 2008 so ran 3 years before hour meter.We live off grid and also make Bio diesel so it gets used alot.

My friend Troy at Eco-Diesel in Lethbridge Alberta has another one waiting for me.Hope to be back in business by the weekend.

I just had the engine cover off a week ago to check the oil sumps for signs of casting sand. I usually rotate the flywheels and check for issues. Non were found.It was running fine this morning came back an hour later to this.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Solenoid To Cutoff Listeroid Powerline 10/1
« on: January 15, 2014, 02:14:36 PM »
I rigged mine up to a temp switch that activated a solonoid used on car powered door locks. Worked great I have some photos if youre interested.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Overspeeding Dilema
« on: December 14, 2013, 03:52:28 PM »
So far the last day or so its running fine . I'm definately going to look into some sort of rpm based shutdown. I have a temperature based shutdown available just need to figure out a way to rig it up for rpms.

As for amps pulled from the generator, I can set that amperage anywhere from 0-30 amps. I've just always used max to shorten run time. At max amps it should still only be 1700 watts. And once its past the intial start up surge it seems to run it just fine. No labouring or smoking. And usually within a couple hrs its starting to drop amps down to 24-25 depending on depth of charge.

I just went and checked the plate on the rectifier, at 240 volts its rated at 12 amps input. So  I guess that would be a 2880 watt draw off the Lister, then a 58 volt 30 amp DC input to the battery bank. So by turning down my battery input from 30-25 should also reduce the input amps from the Lister?  Right?

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Overspeeding Dilema
« on: December 13, 2013, 05:12:47 AM »
I cant say for sure the cranks were caused by overspeeding. I'm thinking they were an oiler problem that I have now cured. Also the first one I found some casting sand.
So today did an oil change cleaned up all connections on the governer linkage. I adjusted the nut/clevis in a turn or so to tighten up that part. Everything ran fine for about 2 hours then away it went! Full speed! So i just took the linkage apart again and I noticed the rack itself would bind if it went to far. It seemed to have a ridge of oil hardened on one end . polished that up and seems okay so far.

So the rectifier i use is from the telephone company. You can feed it 110 or 220(up to240) at 50-60hz. It rectifies it to 58 volt DC 30 amps. If set on float it will start backing off amps at about 54 volts. If set to equalize it will hold at 57 volts for a determined time.

So if if I set the output to 29.5 amps (which I do) thats about 1711 watts.  So with breaker off I set the Lister to 650 rpm ,generators at 120 volts measured at the gen shed. Its about 300 feet to battery shed. I've checked voltage drop over that distance its very minimal I think I used #6 cable

Ok, turn the breaker on the Lister goes from 650 rpm to 475 rpm! And smokes like crazy. Now after the intial start I think the rectifier has capacitors that charge, because its a real surge at first. But the lister wont recover from 475 rpm it will keep losing power until I think frequency gets to low and kicks off rectifier. Then Lister will speed up and try again.   But If I up my starting rpm to about 680 it will usually carry it and run about 580 I think thats terrible inefficent to be getting only 1700 watts.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Overspeeding Dilema
« on: December 12, 2013, 01:43:08 PM »
Ok lots of things to start checking today. I cant see the unbalanced load  as the only 120 volt draw is two cfl light bulbs I think 9 watts each just for the gen shed. I will try setting the speed unloaded first then flip on the breaker.Will keep you posted.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Overspeeding Dilema
« on: December 12, 2013, 01:38:56 AM »
My gen head has AVR on it. Now I only have checked the 118-119 volts in the gen shed. But it sends out 240 volt to the battery shed. If the lower voltage isnt rising with rpm then you wouldnt think the higher voltage would rise? So that should tell me the AVR is working.

I adjusted my rpms under load , havent tried setting them with no load. There does seem to be some sloppy connections on the linkage. I guess I would need a weaker spring?  Stronger would make it run even faster right?

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Listeroid Engines / Overspeeding Dilema
« on: December 12, 2013, 12:17:46 AM »
I have a 6/1 running a 5kw gen set. I try to run it about 620 rpm and the genset is about 118-119 volt at that speed. Now , it will run along fine at that speed until the battery bank starts getting full and the rectifier reduces required amps at which time the 6/1 starts to gain a little speed.  Now if Sun comes out nice and bright and adds some solar into the mix then the rectifier reduces amps substanially and the Listeroid picks up more speed. 

So now The Lister is revving higher and instead of feeding 240 volts into the rectifier its sending in 250-255 volts and the rectifier won't accept voltage that high so it kicks off leaving the Lister to run unloaded and I have to catch it or will overspeed so bad its taken two cranks out!  Today I caught it in time and it must have been going 1000 rpm!  Where do I start? I thought the genset would maintain a certain voltage, but apparently its speed related? 

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Generators / Re: Anyone got any details on these units?
« on: December 09, 2011, 04:40:48 PM »
Not alot to go by but I'm wondering if its not 32 volt?

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Listeroid Engines / Re: 6/1 Listeroid Kit Progress - Test Run
« on: May 10, 2011, 03:45:43 PM »
Nice job, sounds good!

Just a couple comments if it were mine, as others have said get rid of the alternator and battery. I would raise the radiator up slightly above the engine and use thermosyhon instead of water pump and fan. You may find no fan is even required. I always think if that water pump or fan quits for some reason you could cook your engine. Whereas thermosyhon is pretty reliable.

I use the same air filter setup but run mine through the wall outside under the eaves. Way quieter out there, and always sucking cooler air.Winter time I connect it inside.     Again Good Job!

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Listeroid Engines / Generator size for Listeroid
« on: April 01, 2011, 03:40:16 PM »
I currently have a 5 kw Chinese generator coupled to my single cylinder Listeroid. It has been nothing but trouble, slip rings wore through and had to be replaced, brush holder springs have all broke, bearing went, and finaly housing broke complete length of generator, had it cast welded only lasted about a week. So I brazed it myself seems to be holding good so far. Less than 5 years old but used alot!

Anyway although its 5 kw I only use 3 kw to power my rectifier to charge batteries. So now I have a chance to get a Stamford 7.5kw generator. Will my Listeroid run it fine if only using 3 kw? Both are about same size physically both 1800 rpm. What do you think?

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: INJECTOR LINE WANTED
« on: April 13, 2010, 04:45:06 AM »
Good news so far.  We tig welded it and so far its holding strong. I was worried it would melt through but as others have pointed out its fairly heavy wall tube.

I'll still watch for a new one.

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Original Lister Cs Engines / INJECTOR LINE WANTED
« on: April 12, 2010, 03:51:42 PM »
Hi Everyone,

 I'm looking for an injector line for a Lister CD. The line runs from the pump to the injector.

 Mine rubbed a pinhole in the side.  Anyone ever weld an injector line? Or will I be the first to try?... Thanks

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Listeroid Engines / Re: 2 Years... 2 crankshafts!
« on: December 20, 2009, 04:44:51 PM »
Thanks for the replys,
        I will try to get photos of the bearing, the dipper seem to cut a groove about 1/2 inch from the hole but not all the way through the bearing. Not sure if that would have been before? maybe bearing slopped out and that groove was a result of rocking back and forth?..or that groove was the result of the bearing seizing?

  The rod clearance I think was checked at 0.003 if I recall. And the nip I'm sure was checked but dont recall the clearance.

  As for overload, iits very rare. The Generator is hooked to a EX- telephone company rectifier that converts the 220 volts to 48 volt dc to charge battery bank.The max it will charge at is 57 volts at 30 ampswhen equalizing and even then its constantly reducing the amps as voltage climbs.

It never smokes and temp is consistant around 175 degrees

 I will disassemble farther and check the oil sling and crank hole to see if debri may have plugged it.

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Listeroid Engines / 2 Years... 2 crankshafts!
« on: December 20, 2009, 06:19:54 AM »
I have a GTC brand 6/1 run mostly on Bio diesel. I use it to run a 5kw generator as well as use it for the bio diesel  production. It sees alot of work about 200 -250 hours a month year around.
  About a year ago we put a new crank in it after rod bearing went and we attributed it to sand, so cleaned it up good and painted crankcase everything seemed good until last week.  Engine had stopped and discovered rod bearing had turned about 1/4 inch(probably enough to cover oil hole) then siezed.

 Soo we are trying to figure out what went wrong. I'm getting lots of local opinions so thought I would get professional opinions.

 I change oil once a month, so thats 200-250 hours. Some say thats too long, others say no thats ok for a stationary engine in a clean environment running at 600-650 rpm.

 But I am using Walmart 30 wt oil. Now we checked all the numbers and the oil meets or exceeds most every oil requirement out there. But I'm wondering if it meets requirements when its brand new but after a few hours it may go downhill fast.So by 200 hours its not even oil any longer..just a fluid.

So on my back up engine I'm using Shell Rotella 15/40 wt.

  Are my crankshaft problems oil related or? Rod bearing related?.. Maybe I should be changing rod bearings annually?  Synthetic oil maybe?

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