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Engines / Re: Lpw3 exhaust manifold
« on: November 16, 2017, 06:12:45 PM »
In the UK Sleeman and Hawken are the main agent 01626 77 82 66. Affectionately known as stealer and hawken they do know how to charge.  I rebuilt a LPW4 2 years ago and it cost over 2500 in parts from them.  The workshop manual recommends changing lots of the bolts when rebuilding the engine. Dont bother with new bolts as the ones they supplied me were absolute rubbish they snapped when torquing the head down. The new headbolts were soft if you tapped 2 new bolts together they made a dull ringing sort of noise. Tap the old head bolts together and they rang at a lot higher pitch and torqued down perfectly. They seem to have every thing in stock but make sure your sitting down when you ask the price. It might be a good idea to get a price from them first. And them get a price off dieselgman even though he is in the States he might be cheaper.  Will say one thing though if you have never built an engine before its a bit of a hard one to start on theres lots of other engines a lot easier and cheaper to rebuild.  For instance a Lister CS type easy available in the UK for a reasonable price cheap Indian spare parts and you could use it to get into Steam rallies for free by showing the engine.


The weights on the left hand side are from a 1958 8/1 engine.  
The weights on the right hand side are from a 1962 6/1 engine both Start-O-Matics.
The part numbers are different.
6/1 governor weight      003-00167
8/1 governor weight      008-06106
The 8/1 weights are clearly smaller.

I agree on the statements to increase the revs.  I own and have used 6/1 and 8/1 engined generators and only use the 8/1 now they produce far better electric with none of the dreaded flicker. Even the genuine 6/1 engined Start-O-Matic with massive flywheels and an extremely heavy alternator pulley still produce flicker.  It not really surprising  that a modern inverter/charger will have problems with such an up and down electric supply. The 8/1 engines running at 850 RPM produce flicker free electric and the engines sound real nice as well.  In fact I think the engines sound better at 850 RPM not strained like the 6/1 sounds.


General Discussion / Re: HOWTO: Post pictures in the forum
« on: January 13, 2017, 09:54:24 PM »
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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: 6/1 CS Dating
« on: November 25, 2015, 12:31:39 AM »
There is another way of dating a genuine Lister CS engine.  This information has been copied and pasted from the UK Lister CSOG  and it goes like this.

You can always look on the crankcase, on the opposite side to the
injection pump, right above the crankshaft bearing housing you will
find foundry casting marks telling you the month and year that it was
cast. It will be something like 15-A-53
Where 15 is the day or batch number, A is the month, where A=Jan,
B=Feb etc and 53 is the year.


Things I want to Buy / Re: WTB: Crank bearing housing, etc
« on: August 31, 2015, 10:02:43 PM »

I live in the UK and you can have a crank bearing housing for nothing.  Only problem is postage I looked a while ago an it would have cost about 70 to post it to you. So I didnt bother mentioning it.  However if you have a way of collecting it ie friend coming over who could bring it back for or another method.  You are quite welcome to it.


Peter Forbes did suggest a filter that fits in the existing lister filter housing. It was on this site and I copied it and it has worked very well for me over the years cheers Peter.

The one I use is a Coopers filter number AZF 058 and is available in the UK. I buy 6 at a time and they cost me 5.20 each.
Also  Crossland 457 or Fram C11860PL are the same filter, and I am sure there will be others from other filter manufacturers.

This is  a picture of the adapter I made to fit in the top housing

This is made from a 18mm threaded hydraulic fitting with the thread machined off at one end to be a nice fit in the rubber in the top of the filter.
The thread in the lister housing is 18mm metric because Lister used Bosch fuel injection equipmemt. Any firm that make hydraulic hoses can supply the 18mm  adapters.

On the bottom end of the filter I use a 8mm stainless steel nut and bolt with stainless steel body washer and a few small washers to get hight correct. This fits in the hole at the bottom of the filter and makes a good seal.

The other thing I did was to replace the pipe from the filter to the injection pump with a rubber pipe it saves having to undo the steel pipe on the pump and filter housing every time you change the filter.

Heres a few more filter numbers for the same filter.
FRAM : C11860PL.
FIAAM : FA4043/2.
ALCO : MD141.
ARONA : 10668.
ARONA : 394602.
BENATI : 31413.
BIG A : 95167.
BIG A : 498.


Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: How Big a foundation for a 6/1 SOM
« on: April 10, 2015, 11:45:35 PM »
This is from a Lister manual and give dimensions of the foundations.


Listeroid Engines / Re: GASSIFICATION
« on: December 17, 2014, 05:40:15 PM »
A fellow contributor to this forum is already there. Mr Lister is his name and he has worked in collaboration with GEK to get a 6/1 engine running on a GEK gasifier.  I seem to remember they lowered the compression ratio, and fitted a spark plug ignition system.  Perhaps he might chime in with more information.



Heres a sheet from a Lister book. The DC brushes are 1 inch long. I would not recommend buying genuine Lister brushes they cost a fortune.  I get mine made by http://www.carbonbrushes.co.uk  They cost less than 10 each and David the boss is easy to deal with.  I actually get mine made 1  1/8 inches long because the commutator and sliprings have been skimmed and I feel they need a bit of extra length.  There are 2 types of alternator used on the 8/1 engined SOMs  One we call the fatboy which is the earlier type and has 6 DC brushes inside it.  4 main DC brushes and 2 smaller ones for the auxiliary field winding.  The other type is the slimboy and they only have the 4 big DC brushes and no small ones.  The large DC brushes are the same for both types and the AC brushes fit both types as well.


Lister Market Place (things for Sale) / Re: Couple of CS 5/1's
« on: May 14, 2014, 11:03:50 AM »
Just in case nobody's noticed the generator set has not got Startomatic heavy flywheels.


Everything else / Re: Mid Brusnwick Green Paint Match Offer
« on: May 02, 2014, 10:39:10 PM »
I dont know if this is any use. The colour in these pictures look totally different the colour in real life.


Welcome to the forum

When you say the exciter box is missing which one do you mean? The Lister SOMs have 2 boxes one on top of the alternator and another control box which is usually mounted on the wall. If your just missing the wall box its no problem to get it producing electricity as most of the important components reside in the top box.

I do have a manual for the 1.5kw LD Startomatic in pdf if you want a copy send me a pm of your email address and I will send it to you.

Photos are a bit of a chore. first you have to upload them to http://www.listerenginegallery.com/ and then copy the picture address.  Then start your message and where you want to insert your photo click on the 3rd icon  above the smiley faces and this    (img) (/img)    will appear in the text.  Then in the middle between the brackets paste the picture address and it should appear in your post.

Good luck Mick

Listeroid Engines / Re: Flicker flicker
« on: April 08, 2014, 11:09:26 PM »
I have run both 6/1 and 8/1 Startomatics with the heavy flywheels and the 6/1s flicker and the 8/1s don't. The flicker is quite noticeable on the 650 rpm engine especially with incandescent bulbs for some reason. I have seen other 6/1 engined sets with flicker as well. One other thing I can say is that the Startomatic generators do not have AVR. I believe the ST generators don't have one as well. An AVR might help.

Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: British Container Shipment
« on: April 07, 2014, 09:44:04 PM »

Yes I did replace the flywheels. I was lucky that I had a spare engine with a snapped crank so I was able to use flywheels from that engine. The bores were quite worn on the old flywheels.  Unfortunately I did not keep them.


Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: British Container Shipment
« on: April 07, 2014, 02:22:31 PM »
Regarding worn crankshafts where the flywheel fits. I have had one welded up and ground back down to size by my local engine reconditioning firm. Couldn't feel the joint fitted back in the main bearings perfectly. Cost me 100 about 7 years ago to get both sides welded up and ground and the big end ground as well. Any good machine shop should be able to do this.


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